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Posted: 05th February 2008 10:56

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Jonny Wilkinson England v Wales Feb 2008

Wilkinson: Dropped by England?

England has been subjected to the deepest disparagement and Wales have been lauded to the heavens.

Having not won at Twickenham for 20 years the high running emotions are understandable although not necessarily a fair reflection of where each team is; England, as Brian Ashton rightly pointed out post-match, played 30 powerful minutes of international rugby whilst Wales themselves were almost overpowered in that self same period.

Had England been possessed of subtlety behind the scrum, the match would have been theirs for the taking but they did not and what they lacked, Wales possessed, and when the few chances arose, Wales took them.

In the process of this wildly fluctuating 80 minutes a few old adages that have become English clichés were put to the sword by the skills of James Hook, Gavin Henson and company; forwards DO NOT always win matches and experience IS NOT the be all and end of international selection.

Both are clearly vital functions but England has become too concerned with them and lost its way. Ashton needs freshness and invention. The likes of Mark Regan have no role in a post-World Cup England while Jonny Wilkinson is at the heart of the problem regarding the sterility of the back play.

Whether the manager has the strength to make the right decisions this week will be critical to England's ability to bounce back. They are not that far from being a decent team but changes are required.

Wales was anything but excessive themselves in victory but with Scotland's bitterly disappointing performance thrown into the equation, expectations will be running high in Cardiff. A Welsh loss would be a shock and severe set back but there is no need for Wales to expect a vintage performance quite yet; there are bound to be flashes and if they combine those with a win that will constitute a wonderful start for Warren Gatland, Shaun Edwards and Rob Howley.

Scotland fancied their chances but caught a French team that has immediately left the fearful negativity of the Bernard Laporte years behind. Whereas England pay homage to experience, France concentrated on current form allied with long term potential. Marc Lievremont has it right where Ashton and Eddie O' Sullivan have it wrong.

Ireland won, full stop, that's all there is to say. Had Italy not taken half an hour to gel the home side may have suffered more than an embarrassingly flat performance. The side cannot perform for the coach and if they subside in Paris, matters will look bad for the coach and, it must be said, the men that made the decision to re-appoint him before the World Cup. Hopefully Ireland will have more than a cross kick, the main Anglo-Irish attacking weapon, up its sleeve.

France apart it was not a particularly high standard of rugby and a reminder why the Northern Hemisphere has only won one of Six World Cups. France, at least, is showing a desire to win local games and global ones. Marc Lievremont, for that reason, just eclipses the smooth class of Hook as man of the week. Now to this week's post...

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OSPREYS V WALES
Stuart, you make some critical comment about the NZers in the Ospreys team, but yesterday showed that there is more to the Ospreys, certainly Mike Phillips is as good as the present day Justin Marshall and Ryan Jones was excellent in that first half. Maybe you should have more accurately suggested that the excessive number of non-nationals in the GP may cause England problems in terms of leadership. David James, Kettering.

STUART SAYS: David, There was no criticism of the Osprey Kiwis or their presence in the team, rather I pondered whether the Ospreys were perhaps a better team than Wales because of their presence? Wales won at Twickenham but that does not prove the answer to be in the negative. Maybe the Ospreys would have beaten England by a few more points. Ryan Jones was excellent and I think his captaincy a fine move and no doubt, Mike Phillips was the best scrum half on the pitch but that does not mean he is the best scrum half in Swansea. As for England's problems, they had absolutely nothing to do with foreign affairs. Smarter selection and braver intent are the missing ingredients required, the problem is internal.

ENGLAND V FRANCE
Can France's new coach and approach be contrasted with that of Ashton and England? Normally I'd forgive any coach the first international in a while but when someone makes 'low tariff dive' like Ashton and 'belly flops' it what positive about him can one say? Where does he go from here? Has he fallen between two stools when finally given the chance? I thought our 9, 10 and 12 criminal even in the first half. The 10 seems caught up in his reputation and has become so conscious of trying to win the game himself, IMO, see World Cup where he dropped every-time he had penalty advantage even with an overlap (we got three points from a possible 10-14 in those situation despite two chances each time). The 12 was his "mini me" and decided if he got the ball he would be as vain glorious as his older sibling. Should my motherland Wales, aside from the win and points, take anything from this game? I mean at one point I thought they might be the worst Welsh team since the 90s and I cannot say I was terribly impressed after. Jon.

STUART SAYS: Jon, Yes France and England's approach to the game deserves the most miscroscopic examination. I have touched upon the subject in my column and I find it hard to dispute anything you have written...maybe you are somewhat hard on the less experienced Flood who did create problems for a Welsh team that did look dreadful for half a game. What can Wales take from the game, apart from the win? Well now, let us not knock the importance of the confidence and the mental toughness to hang in there, and the memory that keeping the ball alive and not kicking it away or being obsessed with field position...actually quite a lot. So maybe we do differ on your views upon Wales.

UNSTEADY EDDIE
Stuart, isn't it about time Eddie O'Sullivan learned from one of his own lessons and many of the mistakes he has made as Ireland coach? This group of players, that should have won Grand Slams and performed far better in World Cup, should be disbanded. I am not saying discard them all but a good few of them because with the example of Eoin Reddan for Peter Stringer, we are seeing that when Irish youth is given its chance, it can be better that what is on offer from the under-achieving veterans. So what about Robert Kearney, Tony Buckley, Jamie Heaslip, Johnnie Murphy, Cian Healy, Shane Jennings and Tommy Bowe being given a chance? It's getting to the point where I can't watch this insipid, uninspiring Ireland team any more. Rich M, Belfast.

STUART SAYS: Rich, As a neutral watching the game in detail on Saturday it made painful viewing. Eddie O' Sullivan seems incapable of bravery when it comes to selection. A team of talented players almost delivered, did not and are now looking slightly - no plenty - the wrong side of the hill. Tommy Bowe and Jamie Heaslip for two would offer the sort of pace and dash a few of the new French players brought to their team. But of all Ireland's problems, the main question to be resolved is whether the manager is the biggest one of them all. After the World Cup, Ireland should have made a fresh start, all round.

JONNY BE BAD
Stuart, In the Sunday Times you said, 'Ashton is in need of the unusual, something slightly different, something like Danny Cipriani'. I couldn't agree with you more. I think that Wilkinson was one of the major reasons we weren't 20 points up at half-time, he seems to lack the ambition to really get the back line moving and search for the holes you talked about. You also said, 'Andy Gomarsall looked the controlling influence into which he evolved in the World Cup'. Here I have to disagree, I thought Gomersall was the other reason we weren't 20 points up. Too quick to kick, too slow to release the backs. There are good players in better form in both positions. Cipriani is just one. Ryan Lamb is another. At scrum-half Wigglesworth has been given the nod, but I would argue the case for Danny Care. A little more Lievremont please. Ben James.

STUART SAYS: Ben, A lot more Lievremont. English back play has stultified and Jonny Wilkinson IS one of the main reasons. Having watched him consistently since the last World Cup I will state that the blinkered obsession with his inclusion is based upon nothing but sentimentality. His alignment is all wrong and his failure to settle England Saturday suggests that without a smart and experienced operator (Mike Catt or Will Greenwood) he has always been an individual; brilliant for years, I refuse to deny his excellence in all technical aspects from 1999 - 2003 but the team leader, it doesn't look that way. A few others are coming late to the fact. He should be treated as any other player and with Cipriani showing such potential, this means being omitted. More Lievremont indeed. As for Gomarsall, he plays to the plan and did it well enough for the first half. The problem was the plan lacked the requisite ambition to finish Wales when the forwards had laid the platform. Wholesale changes are required, not just to add in form players but to change the mind set and up the ambition of the team...Tuesday, 9.00 am as I write, there are some interesting selections coming up.

Thanks for the mail, as ever, Stuart .

Comments

David Linnell says...

Hi Stuart, I wonder if you could somehow clear up something that has been puzzling me ever since Danny Cipriani became a household name in senior rugby. Is he of Italian descent, and if the answer to that is in the afirmative, why is his name not pronounced "Chip-Riani" as in Ciao ("Chow")? If he is not of Italian Descent then that may well be why!!! Keep up the good work. Best wishes, David Linnell (sometimes pronounced Linnul, Linnelle, Linnle etc). 5th team stalwart of Northampton Old Scouts RFC. ps thanks for the mention on tv when Ben Cohen wore his junior club socks for the Babarians recently.

Posted 10:47 10th February 2008

Chris Jones says...

I'm glad there are a few others completely unconvinced by Sackey! I'm gobsmacked by him being lauded in the media as one of England's hottest talents. He's a mediocre finisher, with average pace for a winger, and lets face it, his defence is laughable. I can't remember the amount of times I saw him completely wrong footed by the opposition in the World Cup! If Ashton insists on Balshaw at full back then at least give Tait a run out on the wing. I'm a die hard England fan but I have a horrible feeling we're going to see a famous Italian win in Rome on Sunday. Ashton can't keep telling us he's lost for reasons whenever we lose, at least some of those reasons are on these message boards!

Posted 12:53 8th February 2008

Kathryn Moor says...

Stuart. You have always had a total negativety to Rob Andrew and Newcastle Falcons, particularly on the Rugby Club. Now you are putting the boot into Jonny Wilkinson, after one mediocre game, in a way that none of your fellow commentators in the major newspapers did. It does appear to many to be subjective, rather than objective journalism.

Posted 08:31 7th February 2008

David C says...

For me the major problem with England in the second half against Wales was the visible lack of leadership on the pitch when grip was required. Under Johnson this would not have happened. Give Cipriani the nod over Wilkinson and for heavens sake bin Balshaw. Tait deserves to start next time.

Posted 17:15 6th February 2008

Chris Townsend says...

Perhaps someone could also explain why both our second rows like to play at full back instead of putting pressure on the opposition. Borthwick was even congratulated for his timely interception at...full back. What the hell was he doing there? As for his hospital lob pass that followed, not even 'Talk the Talk' Borthwick could defend that. They have had more than their fair of chances. Bring on Palmer, Kennedy, Brown or Deacon.

Posted 16:58 6th February 2008

Dougie Thompson says...

First of all, the standard of play during the first weekend of 6N was rather poor, only lit up by a few moments of French ingenuity (and they were by no means the complete article), and the overriding feeling is that some fresh blood is truly needed on all sides. England MUST dispense with Wilkinson, and his one-trick the crossfield kick, because the game has passed him by and England no longer have the same world-class pack to play the 10-man game he is programmed to play. The introduction of Cipriani, Geraghty and SD would inject some much needed unpredictability to England's game. In regards to the pack - aside from the creaking front row - the balance of it looks quite good especially with Lipman selected, a genuine openside in form (it has been a while). Now as much as I enjoyed the Welsh victory don't get too carried away down in the valleys because your first-half performance was awful and certainly the injuries played a significant part in the final result. Realistically, any half-decent side would have racked up 30 points by half-time. However, the new team have brought some much needed grit to your game whilst it is good to see Ryan Jones back but not your silly barnets in the front row (and yes Marshall is better than Phillips, he can pass for a start). As for Scotland, I can't bring myself to think about having to watch more of Dan Parks...he can't even manage a crossfield kick...

Posted 13:56 6th February 2008

James Jones says...

Stuart, I agree that England needs something different and the post world cup should be treated as a new era. I think Cipriani should come in at fly half, lets take a risk! With him at fly half I would move Wilkinson to 12, giving us a second kicking option, a strong defence in the centres and experience looking after the young fly half. This may be harsh on Flood who was one of the better players against Wales at 12. Without a doubt poor individual errors cost us the game but the team must take responsibility. On the Tait debate... I think he will be a great full back, possibly not enough experience at international level though yet to play for England there, on my bench though!

Posted 12:26 6th February 2008

David Johnson says...

Totally agee with Richard Smith re: Paul Sackey. I have always questioned his inclusion. He is not of international quality in my book. He does not offer anything that most club wingers wouldn't.

Posted 12:23 6th February 2008

David Smith says...

Stuart, I can not believe that the omission of Matthew Tait has gone largely un-noticed by the media. Tait was a revelation at the World Cup and come of age, especially in the final. I feel it was a massive step-back by dropping him totally from the squad for the first game and an even greater mistake by playing Jamie Noon in front of him at outside centre for the game against Italy. Surely this is just undermining young players who when given a chance perform well, yet still are overlooked at the drop of a hat, as soon as the old guard return from injuries.

Posted 10:32 6th February 2008

Nick Edwards says...

Very disappointed down here that we don't get the Rugby Club. Given an inability to review performance, my perception is based on the one game. Appalling performance from England, but you have to give credit to Wales for believing and hanging in there. I thought Narraway played extremely well, all things considered, and unlike many 'shoo-ins' deserved his place. Vickery's back went a couple of years ago and he's just hanging on. JW was average (as he so often is for the Falcons) Balshaw was his inconsistent self, the forwards unimaginative in general, and the backs fragmented. Gomarsall only has 60 minutes in him these days - lack of match fitness showed. All in all, I'd prefer the Saxons team on the pitch to the one that's there. Including a fit JSD, who's a better replacement for Strettle than our man Vainokolo (who will be fab off the bench). Why do the home nations get so hung up on the 6 nations anyway? Surely it's an opportunity to blood players against local opposition before they have to face the mighty ABs or Springboks.

Posted 09:34 6th February 2008

Peter Manning says...

I have to agree with Steve Perry - the problem started with all the injuries especially up front ...it seemed a shame for me that the replacements could not step up and continue where the injured players left off. As a Wasps fan I am aware of how good Danny Cipriani can be - however in the last game I have been to (Wasps Vs Bath) I have to say I was not overally impressed. Throwing young 'in'experienced players into the mix is not always the way forward - England have done this in the past, only to drop the players straight afterwards...Harry Ellis, James Simpson-Daniel et al - IF England do make changes for the young and inexperienced then I hope for their sakes that both the management and (more importantly) the media give them a chance - so that if England do loose agaisn't Scotland with such a team they are not immediatly slagged off for not putting more experienced players on the pitch! Incidentally the fact that Josh Lewsey is not in the squad is criminal!

Posted 07:31 6th February 2008

Richard Smith says...

Is anybody still not convinced by Sackey? I know this is off the topics brought up in this article but I think it is something that needs to be addressed. I really dont see what he brings to an international team. He is a solid finisher, and has adequate pace. Is this really enough to guarantee him a starting place. International wingers need something extra. This is the only position where you can really afford to have someone who has that bit of flair and someone who could be a gamble. I believe that Vainikolo and Strettle should become the first choice pairing but when they are injured, surely there is someone who can influence a game out there more than Sackey?

Posted 00:30 6th February 2008

Matt Slade says...

Stuart, to pin any blame for this defeat on Wilkinson is ignoring the obvious. The problems with this England team are far greater than any one player. There may be a media push for Cipriani to be drafted into the team, but despite some fantastic displays for Wasps this season he is still not the class 10 that Wilkinson is....yet. Wilkinson has controlled games and followed game plans successfully for years, and although his current game does have its flaws (mainly his side-step suffle that achieves nothing), he is still the most consistent, reliable 10 available. We had Hodgson at 10 for most games during Wilkinson's injury spells and despite him being one of the most attacking 10s in the league he also produced very little in an England shirt. The match displayed amazing similarities to almost every match under Ashton where the team has lacked direction, leadership and organisation. Quite what was said to the players at half-time I have no idea. To be honest I have no idea how Ashton kept his job after the World Cup. The rebuilding process starts now for the next world cup and choosing Ashton ahead of possible coaches such as Jake White is proving a poor decision already. Players like Regan and Gomersall, who have served us well, now need to make way for players like Mears who have earned a chance. It is not Wilko that is the problem but the balance in the side and the way they are being told to play. Get the team playing basic rugby well and introduce the youngsters. I think your belief in wholesale changes is correct, but i'd like to see more off field changes than anything. Ashton is underqualified and not up to the task and a young crop of promising talent could pay the price. Also why oh why does every England coach keep giving Balshaw another chance, he has proven year after year since his early days with the Lions he is not up to the task at international level. How about Cipriani for 15?

Posted 23:14 5th February 2008

Stephen Corr says...

Stuart, I've seen suggestions that Irish youth is finally getting its chance with the likes of Reddan getting in the team but in reality he's 27 - not old for a scrum-half but not exactly up and coming youth. The same problem is happening all over. The Irish squad is ageing fast so why is Eddie still insisting on playing the old guard. Easterby was great servant but offers nothing in the future and it's the same story with Dempsey and Malcolm O'Kelly. As a Limerick man I love seeing munsters pack play but Quinlan and Wallace are both the wrong side of 30 so what does Jennings have to do to get into squad? Brian O'Driscall is a bad captain and everyone outside of Dublin can see it, he is a world class player but is living off the hat-trick in Paris in 2000. He has not warranted a place on his performances this year. Ronan O'Gara is stepping up to the plate at Munster and should be given the chance to lead Ireland. What have we got to lose? I watched the A match last week and I can't understand how Shane Horgan merits a place on the bench this week for the full side, Gavin Duffy and Tommy Bowe were fantastic and yet Horgan, who can't play centre, result restricted the amount of ball to Luke Fitzgerald, who failed to impress. Ireland needs to stop picking players just because they are apparently the best. Give the younger guys with the desire and passion to play instead of those who assume the should be picked on reputation. The likes of Duffy, Bowe, Fitzgerald, N.O'Connor and Cian Healy should all be getting game time for seniors. There is no point rebuilding when we run out of players, their successors should already be able to step up.

Posted 19:33 5th February 2008

David James says...

A bit unfair on Wales, a different referee (the one who did the Ireland/Italy game) would have penalised many of the England turnovers in that 1st half i.e. playing the ball on the ground. That's what destroyed Wales but first game of the season, away in Twickenham, is always going to be difficult. Once they warmed to their task, from half-time, they increased the pressure on England and eventually England cracked. AND yes Phillips is the better scrum half down Swansea way.

Posted 17:48 5th February 2008

Gareth Davies says...

Possession, possession, possession. Now first of all I am not that famous Welsh outside half of yesterday but having played and refereed the game for many years I am pretty familiar with the mechanics of the game. You simply cannot win a game without the ball. The game last Saturday proved the point yes a game of two halves. I refuse to gloat in a Welsh win because we are not at a level to be amongst the great teams. Nevertheless, when you would expect heads to drop I was staggered to witness the second half transformation for both teams. On last Saturday's showing England have gone backwards at an alarming rate. I do not think England were great for the first 50 minutes because quite frankly they should have buried Wales. The Welsh gifted possession to England with mindless kicks and a woeful number of turnovers. Half-time should have read England 34 Wales 6; game over. What happened in the second half was possession went to Wales and they finished off their few chances. What about the rest of the 6 Nations? Well its now wide open and who knows what the table will look like in a couple of months time? England for the wooden spoon perhaps! It could come down to the final game for the Grand Slam...Wales v France.

Posted 17:21 5th February 2008

Richard Earney says...

To my mind the injuries made a big difference. For years England have lacked a balanced back row. We nearly had something approaching that in the first half, and we looked a better team. Contrast Martin Williams in the two halves and when faced by a lock he was a great player again. As for the Gomarsall/Wilkinson axis, it is poor. Wilkinson seems unable to be a creative fly-half. His kicking at goal is not what it was, his distribution is woeful, his running is clueless and his kicking from hand isn't that great either! We really do have to get away from this Jonny obsession. And now is the time to do it. No Grand Slam this year, try the fresh blood, get them experienced and let them off the leash. What is there to lose?

Posted 16:46 5th February 2008

Chris Franklin says...

I have to say that the criticism of Wilkinson is, in my opinion, unwarranted. Yes England need to bring in fresh faces but to do so all at once is crazy, especially with Mike Tindall out. Wilkinson will add some much needed experience to the back line. I think England's biggest problem on saturday was Balshaw, he often made the wrong decision and looked more comfortable on the wing than he did at full back. The answer from Englands perspective is simple - Nick Abendanon he is a young full back with the potential to be world class. On the other hand if you are looking for experience in the back line why wasn't Lewsey called upon rather than Shane Geraghty?

Posted 16:08 5th February 2008

Chris Green says...

Stuart you seem to have a mental block. England's loss was not due to an 'over reliance on power' as you claim. It was due to a complete and utter disintegration in the face of a mediocre Wales team and no pressure. A simple 'power' game plan would have lead to a comfortable England win. In fact any game plan at all would have been nice. Worryingly this smacked of the 36-0 RWC game. No one able to make a decision because no one knew what they were supposed to be doing. I suspect there was some truth to the Catt / Dallaglio comments about Ashton's approach simply leading to woolly thinking by the players. Evidence of Ashton's confusion can be seen by the fact that he had to remove his Captain after Wales equalised in order to get his best prop on the pitch. All other issues aside there was a lack of leadership - on the pitch, in the coaching room and right up to the RFU who could have employed a world cup winning coach Jake White but instead opted for the coach he twice gt outplayed by White's team. Oh dear oh dear

Posted 13:13 5th February 2008

Steve Perry says...

Stuart ,how critical was the spate of injuries throughout the game ,particularly to both opensides ? A lot of the criticism of England's performance has been about their inability to change the game plan and Wales have been lauded for changing theres . I tend to think that Wales, who spent 45 minutes on the back foot were suddenly able to play the game they wanted to rather than it being a tactical masterstroke and whilst the players can be criticised for not adapting to the circumstances playing an international game with a back row of Ben Kay at No.8 and effectively two number eights is surely going to put you at a disadvantage.? This is not an Englishman whingeing but I personally think England would have one the game comfortably if Rees had stayed on,and that games are turned on such things.

Posted 13:13 5th February 2008

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