Adam Smith - Sky Sports Expert

Sympathy for a devil

Mayorga unfortunate, but surely he was ahead on the cards?

Posted: 02nd October 2008 10:33

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Mayorga: out with a second to go

Let me start this week by stating that I have always been a huge admirer of the silky skills, fabulous footwork, breathtaking speed, and wonderful persona - both in and out of the ring - of Shane Mosley.

His sweet success has made the personable Californian a three-weight world king; his status as a 'modern great' has long been assured.

To be honest, I haven't had much time for Ricardo Mayorga over the years. Despite fighting his way out of Nicaraguan poverty (which of course I admire), his pre-fight attacks have often left a bitter taste in the mouth.

Of course 'playing the bad guy' is often cooked up by the publicists, but when we covered him in Atlantic City, Mayorga told Cory Spinks that he would knock him out and dance over his body so that Spinks could join his dead mother in hell. Absolutely atrocious, at a time when Spinks was grieving her loss. Mayorga didn't flinch a muscle saying it either.

Mayorga has since seemingly matured and, despite his rants, appears more reasonable these days. He was certainly full of respect for Mosley, especially the fact that the Californian stood with him, despite being heavily outweighed on the night. I never thought I'd say this, but after his gallant and positive efforts last weekend, I actually felt sorry for Mayorga.

The much awaited Mosley-Mayorga clash was for the most part, disappointing. Although being hard-fought, it was scrappy, and I really felt the two old warriors showed their age. Deep into their thirties and having thrilled us for 15 years apiece, there can now be few fights left for the pair.

The finish though was unbelievable, Mosley pulling two knockdowns out of the fire in the last 20 seconds; with the left hook which flattened Mayorga the most timely punch he's ever thrown. The ending came from nowhere and the fight was waved off with one second to go. Jim Watt said that 'if you'd seen it in Rocky VII, you wouldn't believe it'!

We have indeed seen many amazing feats and endings in boxing - over the last few years, how can one forget that turnaround 10th when Diego Corrales came up off the floor twice to stop Jose Luis Castillo?

Or back home when Danny Williams fought on with a dislocated shoulder and somehow produced an incredible knockout of Mark Potter with one arm? But for sheer final-seconds, tail-end drama, that took us back to Julio Cesar Chavez and Meldrick Taylor when Richard Steele made that dramatic call with two seconds left in the last round.

This time there was one second to go! What surely would have made it an even more astonishing story is that Mosley appeared to be trailing. He had struggled to establish a rhythm, was out-hustled and really started to look sorry for himself - a sight you never normally see.

Yes, the rounds were close and tight, but our overall impression was that Mosley was losing. Look back at the tape and examine the body language again. Especially between Shane and his father Jack. Not to mention the confidence Mayorga was showing at the end of almost every round.

Like the oddsmakers who made Mosley a 10/1 on favourite to outbox and dismantle the hard and wild Nicaraguan, I felt Mosley would comfortable out-skill Mayorga, and I thought he'd finish him late(but not that late!!)

Yet, I agree with my friend Wayne McCullough's views in his blog this week - I thought Mosley was poor, and everyone on our team seemed to feel the same way.

Unanimous

So how on earth did some of the American reporters who were ringside score it heavily in favour of Mosley going into the final round? After the 11th round, the judges had the fight 105-104 Mayorga (Pat Russell), 105-104 Mosley (Nelson Vasquez) and 107-102 Mosley (Tony Crebs). Mosley would obviously have taken the 12th big, so would have won a unanimous decision. Would that have been right?

I just can't believe the scorecard of Tony Crebs, but there we go. Sometimes one just doesn't. We have all disagreed with scoring and decisions along the way.

I thought Oscar De La Hoya beat Felix Trinidad and Mosley (second time around) and on our shores, felt Damaen Kelly was robbed blind against Simone Maludrottu, while John Simpson seemed to suffer against Dazzo Williams. Fortunately, the British Board now have three judges for their title fights which largely reduces the possibility of a strange interpretation.

I understand scoring is always subjective. It is an acutely personal thing. It can even come down to which side of the ring you have been sitting, or which style one personally favours. A recent example was the controversial British heavyweight title fight between Danny Williams and John McDermott where opinion was really split. Sometimes it just happens like that.

Many believe there are home town decisions, and some go as far as saying promotional ties sway people as well. Yes, we have to flag up possibilities, even conspiracy theories and witch-hunts, but as commentators, we must call it the way we see it. Unbiased, unaffected and honestly. Of course we can make mistakes, and our view is nowhere near gospel. What ultimately matters is the verdict of the official judges.

I have the utmost of respect for the Sky Sports team, after all their years in the sport. After a hugely successful ring career, my co-commentator Jim Watt has been scoring fights for 30 years - half of his life. Glenn McCrory - the same seasoning; for 20 years - pretty much half of his life.

Johnny Nelson has been in boxing as long as most of us can remember and has turned from professional champion to ace analyst. Ian Darke has been calling boxing brilliantly for the majority of his broadcasting career.

Margins

I am relatively new in that I have been in the sport for 15 years, and commentating for almost 10. All in all though, plenty of experience between us and this time, we ALL felt that Mayorga was in the lead going into the 12th round. Our margins varied, but that was the universal feeling, and we were watching it from several different locations.

It teaches you that while there is no right or wrong, we are all going to have our views. Hopefully, the more we do this, the better we become - it is all learning, and you cannot buy experience.

What the early hours of Sunday morning also told us is that if you can find the shots, however late, scoring becomes utterly irrelevant.

That it's never ever over until the last bell tolls and that is simply another reason why our sport is the most dramatic and compelling out there.

Shane Mosley was having a bad night. He may well have slipped at 37. He will fight on - and that surely must be down at welterweight, but it goes to show that the really great champions find answers. And Sugar Shane found one of the sweetest of all last weekend.

Comments

Golden Bhoy says...

UFC is taking over boxing.Dont make me laugh if you think two guys rolling around a mat in an octagon is a square go then you need you head looked at.The Sweet Science is the best combat sport where the only guard you have is your fists.Not some clown lying on the floor trying to push his opponent away with his feet. UFC=WWE Boxing is a mans game

Posted 18:13 8th October 2008

Donald Morrison says...

Just wanted to say briefly the comment from Dave Black,'WATT thought Maclellan was feigning injury'..i find in poor taste. Jim Watt is a former world champion and very experienced pundit also and can only call what he see's at the time. In the said moment I also thought McClellan had binned it so to speak...I wish I had, along with Jim Watt been correct. Anyway...De La Hoya has lost most super-fights and only beats legends who are out of their natural weight,though still great in his own right,DLH is in a no win situation with Pacman,he wins....?well he should have anyway....he loses .....well?

Posted 18:02 6th October 2008

Keith Jones says...

Just a quick comment on those guys calling the Mosley v Mayorga fight fixed by Golden Boy. If this was true, then why did the Judges score a victory for Mayweather against De La Hoya? Surely Golden Boy Promotions could not have their own No.1 losing!!!!!

Posted 07:43 6th October 2008

Dave Black says...

SMIFFY I haven't seen the MOSSLEY/MARYOGA fight but did see Trinidad/Oscar and both MOSLEY/OSCAR fights. I agree with your verdict on OSCAR/TRINIDAD but not OSCAR/MOSSLEY. I guess it depends on how you score the fights. It's a bit like the football offside rule. Some people argue that the idea that someone is not interferring with play is an oxymoron a bit like saying the referee himself is not interfering with play and others claim to understand when and when not a player is interffering with play a bit like the so called aggression rule in boxing where people are given virtual points for aggression. That's why some say HAGLER won against SUGAR. One thing i'd say though is in years (35 at least) of both participating, watching and listening to boxing i have never disagreed more with anyone more than i do with the SKY SPORTS team in general. Apart from NELSON with whom i agree with 9.5 out of 10 i have never disagreed more with the others eg WATT thought Maclellan was feigning injury. All except NELSON thought OSCAR would beat MAYWEATHER. However, the worst habit of all of the sky pundits is their arrogance to not accept when they get something wrong but instead suggest some kindof of conspiracy is afoot. To this day Mcrory argues OSCAR beat MAYWEATHER and argues HATTON was winning against MAYWEATHER even though the guy was totally outclassed. Come on guys enough of the arrogance.

Posted 19:45 4th October 2008

Steven Morgan says...

I fully agree with the comments about golden boy promotions. does anyone remember the steve forbes fight with demetrius hopkins? It was laughable how the judges gave the victory to hopkins but is it coincedince that his uncle, Bernard, has a senior status within the company? Its not just america though, john simpsons fight with derry matthews was another tracesty and the scot was robbed against matthews. As for the moseley fight, the fact the judges had that scoring is unbelievable. A governing body needs to look at the scoring and put it right. The was just a bit to hollywood though. Its fair to say moseley fainted the right and landed a peach of a left hook but, personally, i wouldnt put it past mayorga to take a dive. It seems to me that golden boy are effectivley trying to buy their success in the promotional world of proffesional boxing. I hope im wrong though.

Posted 10:37 4th October 2008

Mark Wandless says...

to nik reid,how can you possibly say boxing is boring,you just have to look at the likes of the corrales v castillo,and many many others. even mosley v mayorga might have been a bit dull but what an ending. i agree that the ufc is very good.i'm a big fan of it, but boxing will always be my first sport.i still get butterflies in my stomach at the big fights, as i do with the big fights in the ufc.but some of the ufc fights can be really boring 15 mins of 2 men lying on top of each other isn't really my idea of exciting,but each to there own.i prefer the likes of chuck liddell,stand up fighters,although he got knocked out recently.there'll always be room for both sports as far as i'm concerned.i very rarely miss any fight be it boxing or ufc. long live both!!

Posted 14:50 3rd October 2008

Rory O'connor says...

Nik Reid is right about UFC starting to overtake boxing and what a shame! The incessant man love and floor rolling sport has simply got better marketers. Boxing will still outperform any contact sport on a good night. The problem is too many fights like this are top billing. I like Mosely a lot, one of my favorites over the years, but we are clinging to the past too much and it seems like young boxers are getting pushed aside in favor of glamour boxing. Keep these guys fighting but young contenders should get preferential billing.

Posted 10:17 3rd October 2008

Paul Ross says...

Mayorga was clearly ahead on points, any numpty could work that one out, the ko at the end seemed a bit suspect to me, Mayorga was being hit flush through the fight but never seemed hurt or phased, and never even looked like going down or hurt by any of them, and when that left hook came with one second to go his hands were near his chest he was stood like a statue no movement whatsoever, he was lay there as though Mike Tyson had hit him, but he was talking to the ref the whole time the count was being done.. It all seems as though the fix was on to me, Golden Boy Promotions is trying to rule boxing by the looks of it and it cant have one of its ""stars"" beaten now can it...!!!!!!!!

Posted 16:36 2nd October 2008

Graham Turrall says...

Spot on Smithy. How Sugar could be winning that on anyone's cards is a complete mystery - I had him 4 down going into the 12th. Still his left hand proved the best judge in the arena! Thought I wouldn't see a better left hook in 2008 than the one Prescott used to knock Khan's career back 12 months, but that final shot was as peachy as it gets. Different league.

Posted 13:34 2nd October 2008

Ricky Gordon says...

I agree with Adam that Mayorga was in front, although I did think it was close, I had him 2 rounds up going into the final round. The punch stats for the fight favoured Mosley heavily, in both total punchs and power punchs. However he did look old and you couldn't help feel sorry for Mayorga. I remember watching De La Hoya - Mosley 2 on sky, and Jim Watt had De La Hoya winning fairly comfortabley, but I actually scored the fight 115-113 Mosley, I suppose different people will always see different things. I also think Adam is right about the Sky Sports Team, it is packed with quality. I'll never forget Adam's commentary in the final round of Corrales V Castillo, he was as excited as I was! That is my favourite fight of all time, and Adam's commentary completed it!

Posted 13:02 2nd October 2008

Peter Ginley says...

I can¿t believe that two of the judges had Mosley in the lead before the final round! I had him down by 3 possibly 4! I am a big Mosley fan but he didn¿t look himself at all. He was finding hard to cope with the stronger Mayorga. I gave a couple of the earlier rounds to Mosley and definatley the 6th. But apart from that, he was finding it hard to read where Mayorga¿s punches were coming from. Even thou he is usually quite predicable. Am not sure where he is goin to go from here because if he steps back down to Welter, I don¿t think he could beat any of the current champs including Berto. And he seems to be a bit on the small side for light middle. Maybe if Duddy or Hearns picks a belt up who knows. It was a good job that Mosley got the KO in the 12 as it would of been highly contraversal when the scorecards were read out. There also must be some bias to Mosley on HBO as most americans I've spoken to think Mosley was winning hands down. Even one suggesting the if Mayorga won the last round and it was a draw, it would of been contraversal towards Mosley!

Posted 12:13 2nd October 2008

Nik Reid says...

To be honest who cares. Boxing isn't he sport it used to be. I used to look forward to the big fights but not now. They are, i am afraid, very dull and very boring. The UFC has over taken boxing and is the most exciting new sport in the world today. Far more action and tension than in boxing. R.I.P boxing...welcome UFC.

Posted 11:37 2nd October 2008

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