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Posted: 04th December 2008 08:18
De La Hoya: bigger and better?
Ultimately size will surely matter. De La Hoya's no slow-coach either: he's not what he was, but he's still fast, intelligent and shouldn't have gone back far enough to lose this.
Adam Smith
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Saturday sees one of the most intriguing Vegas showdowns in recent years.
What is not in doubt is that Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao are great great fighters. Two ring legends of the modern era and on paper, it doesn't get much better than the most magnetic boxer on earth tackling the current pound-for-pound king. Tickets for the fight were apparently sold out within one hour - proof that this is extremely appealing.
Both are multi-weight world champions: the Golden Boy from super-featherweight to middleweight; The Pac-Man from flyweight to lightweight. But therein also lies the problem.
Is Pacquiao anywhere near big enough? His first fight was at 7stone 8lbs and De La Hoya has fought above 11stone. On June 23rd 2001, Pacquiao won the world super-bantamweight tile by stopping Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, at 8stone 10lbs, while De La Hoya was beating Javier Castillejo for the world light-middleweight crown at 11stone on the same night. A 32lbs difference!
Against that De La Hoya is a part-time fighter these days: he's older, more inactive, hasn't made welterweight for nearly eight years, and is not quite as fast as he once was. He's also lost three of his last six fights, and has struggled with smaller boxers. Can Oscar pull the trigger any more? Does he have the stomach for a real war at this stage?
As part of Sky Sports coverage, we visited Pacquiao first in Los Angeles. He's always in supreme shape, a ferociously dedicated trainer. However, when I went running with Manny and Amir Khan - and they sailed past me - word came back that Manny had found the mountain trail hard and he had stopped a couple of times.
We were up at dawn the next day to see Amir sprinting alongside Manny, but the Filipino didn't come. Stamina and commitment have never been problems for Pacquiao, but read into it this what you will.
While Amir's fighting back for redemption and is hugely ambitious, Manny has already made millions of dollars, and has a fan base of millions back in the Philippines.
Maybe there's nothing to it, but I always look at the little things in the run-up. I also interviewed him for 20 minutes and he never once said he was going to win. So Pacquiao's either quietly assured, or maybe he realises, deep down, that this is an enormous ask.
Freddie Roach is extremely confident that Team Pacquiao will beat De La Hoya. Roach is a wise boxing man and he just thinks he has the right guy at the right time. Mind you that's what Buddy McGirt told me about Paulie Malignaggi!
Freddie of course trained De La Hoya and claims he has spotted weaknesses to exploit. He believes that Pacquiao's speed will undo him, that he might be small but he is still a savage force. Roach and promoter Bob Arum are convinced that Pacquiao will shock the world, and that De La Hoya has made an enormous mistake.
Freddie's brilliant, but it must be noted that in big fights recently he came off the loser when De La Hoya went in with Floyd Mayweather and with Bernard Hopkins against Joe Calzaghe.
We visited De La Hoya back up in the Big Bear mountains, more than 9,000 feet above LA. I used to see him before fights at the house he once owned and trained in, way up in the remote resort. When I walked into his gym this time he said: "Adam, I can't believe you're still doing this, after all these years!" I said: "I can't believe you are!"
Last week it became 16 years as a professional for Oscar - and let's not forget his long, illustrious amateur career too. Even though he doesn't appear to be in fast decline as a fighter, he felt he had to return to Big Bear to re-fuel the fire. A few years ago, he carved his name into a small tree, and the tree has now grown. Oscar has been back to see it, to breathe in the tight, clean air and to train like a demon once more.
I know Oscar well, and I know he would never cut corners in preparation. Ever. Not in his character. Whether he still has enough at the elite level is another matter entirely. He must continue to prove his skills haven't eroded, but he looked in outstanding shape in camp. He told me he was already on weight, and that was at the beginning of November.
He seems refreshed under the excellent Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain. He's been sparring with the big-punching southpaw Edwin Valero and Golden Boy's hot hope Victor Ortiz. Oscar says the hunger is still burning, and he really wants to fight Ricky Hatton in Britain next year.
So will De La Hoya be just too big? Or is Pacquiao fast and fit enough to stay with him? The Filipino southpaw must use his younger legs and ring smart to get in and out quickly. But I thought he was lucky to get a draw and a win over Juan Manuel Marquez. The tip-top Mexican is also trained by Beristain and has a similar sort of style to De La Hoya's.
There are other key questions: Will Pacquiao be able to take De La Hoya's power - especially from the left hook? Can Pacquiao hurt De La Hoya to the body? Will he even get that opportunity?
Pacquiao's not that defensively cute, and he's been stopped twice, albeit a long time ago. He's aggressive, and a speedy, strong southpaw, but the weight worries me.
Roy Jones Jnr managed to leap up two divisions to become world heavyweight champion when he beat John Ruiz, but then De La Hoya's in a completely different class to that decent but unspectacular champion, Ruiz. The Golden Boy also knows how hard it is to go up too far. That bodyshot knockout by Hopkins still really rattles him.
If he can pull this off, Pacquiao will become a global superstar. He's already massive in the Philippines, but I don't think this will be his night.
Ultimately size will surely matter. De La Hoya's no slow-coach either: he's not what he was, but he's still fast, intelligent and shouldn't have gone back far enough to lose this. Oscar's head movement's become a touch more static of late, but with the enormous height and reach advantages he possesses, that shouldn't be too much of a worry.
Moreover, if Manny finds he's not the quicker man, how is he going to win? I think Pacquiao may be forced into trading - which will be his downfall.
De La Hoya's now a promoter and he's good at making matches. If he didn't think he'd beat Pacquiao, he wouldn't have accepted this, because a loss here would tarnish his legacy.
I believe that he'll have much too much in his arsenal for a brave, but out-gunned Pacquiao, and I think it will be stopped within the middle rounds. I would love to see Pacquaio extend him into the last third or so, where De La Hoya traditionally struggles, but I'm just not convinced he will.
Some say De La Hoya's on a hiding to nothing. I don't agree. Expect Oscar to use his superb jab and physical size to break Pacquiao down as he adds another name to his list - while making a tonne more money! Then bring on the Hitman, who is the real winner in this.
He'll be ringside in Vegas. If De La Hoya takes out Pacquiao, then that's a huge financially golden match. But Ricky wouldn't mind Pacquiao winning, because then he'd avoid meeting his Golden Boy boss, and he could remain at his favoured 10 stone.
But imagine The Golden Boy against The Hitman in one of the biggest events in British fight history, on our shores.
De La Hoya's been planning this and he usually gets what he wants. Just a fabulous, but tiny, Filipino whirlwind to deal with first - and my prediction is Oscar will. Emphatically.
David Haye could be made to wait for a shot at the world heavyweight title with the Klitschko brothers lining up different opponents.
Floyd Mayweather Snr insists that Ricky Hatton has what it takes to beat Manny Pacquiao.
Manchester lightweight John Murray will defend his British title against Lee McAllister at the Robin Park Centre in Wigan on January 17.
Olympic gold medallist James DeGale and Great Britain head coach Terry Edwards are revelling in their inclusion on the New Year Honours List.
Frank Warren is excited by the number of potential champions coming through the ranks.
Comments
James Marshall says...
I would certainly agree with Adam regarding many points of this fight, and I would also agree that De La Hoya should win it purely due to his size and greater power - that said, Manny has a huge heart, great engine and is no stranger to going into the trenches in his pursuit of victory. De La Hoya would, if they were the same size, be the underdog to my mind - not least because he's lost 3 of his last 6 and is essentially a part-timer these days - Manny isn't. Should be a great fight and I'd love to see Manny do it, though I love watching Oscar as well so its almost a shame they're fighting each other as I dont want to see either of them lose!
Posted 14:15 4th December 2008
Richard Sultana says...
I agree with Adam, i think its going to be De la Hoya's night but i think Manny will up his game and it will be a close one. . . or at least i hope it will be. I look forward to seeing Hatton v de la Hoya more than Hatton v Pacquiao in all honesty. . . .
Posted 13:28 4th December 2008
John Kerr says...
I think Pacquiao will put up a good fight in the first 6 rounds but then i see Golden Boy punishing him. Pacquiao is a great fighter but De La Hoya's extra muscle at this weight will carry him. For a prediction i see Hoya winning by K.O or maybe 10th round stoppage. As for Hoya fighting Hatton i think its a big mistake for Hit Man as Hoya will take every round off him. Hoya was close to taking out Mayweather and i feel it'll only be another defeat on Hattons record. Sad to say for a British boxing legend but true! I'm sure the fight will start at some point around 3 in the morning, just depends on how the under card fights go.
Posted 13:25 4th December 2008
Luke Brown says...
Another great article Adam, and can't help but agree with your predicitons. There is just a little doubt in my mind that Pacman may just pull off a shock. He is so fast and well conditioned and even though small, I think he has freakish power for his size which could have been underestimated by Oscar at el; but on the other hand, you don't get to where De La Hoya is by underestimating opponents. I don't really care who wins; it's a fascinating fight whatever the outcome and only leads to more and more big fights in the future. Hatton v De La Hoya would be massive for obvious reasons, with talk of the winner of that potentially getting a re-match with PBF!?!, but I can't help but think that Hatton v Pacman would be a much better spectacle, and although I personally think Hatton would lose to both (would obviously love to see Ricky win), but he would have more chance against the smaller Pacquiao, at his 10st weight where he has never lost before. Who's to say he can't fight the winner and the loser though. Anyway I just can't wait for a great night of boxing all round; would be great to end the evening with a classic Vegas match up and have two new British world champs in Enzo and Froch. Keep up the great coverage Sky, and on another note, keep making the matches Golden Boy; you've helped drag boxing back to it's feet and back on top of the world of sport. Good stuff!
Posted 13:06 4th December 2008
Colin Winterburn says...
A lot of good points Adam and I hope your right and the golden boy will beat pacman, but. I agree with Dan, I think you under-estimate Pacquiao, he is a fantastic little fighter with a very good engine, there is a real risk that De La Hoya will try to get rid of him early knowing that he's not so good late on, and may burn himself out. If Pacquiao can get the fight long he may pull it off. Oscars had some tough fights and his long career has got to be catching up with him. Sure the weight and especially Oscars reach advantage will play a part but how big a part? From the article above I think Adam sees this as a fairly easy win for The Golden Boy, and unless Adam knows more about the training problems for Pacquiao that he hints at, I think this will be a very hard night for Oscar. But what a dream for fight fans "Hitman V's Golden Boy" in UK would be the fight of the century for British fight fans!!
Posted 12:08 4th December 2008
George Graham says...
An interesting article Adam. There's no doubt that, on paper, De La Hoya looks a strong favourite, but there has to be a concern over the weight: he hasn't fought at 147lbs for a long time. Once he gets rid of any body fat, he may have to sacrifice muscle mass. We all saw how the energy was sapped from his legs in the middle rounds of the Mayweather fight - being a bit older can we expect that potentially weaker legs will be able to endure a faster and more mobile fight against a furiously fast opponent? Only a knockout would ensure that he didn't have to answer that question
Posted 11:42 4th December 2008
Terry Greenland says...
I totally agree with Adam smith's comments and prediction on the outcome of this fight. It's a safe call from Del La Hoya, a good big'n will alway's beat a good little'n in my opinion. With Golden Boy calling the shot's in the promotion and buisness stakes, I see him really hurting Pacquiao in this one, late on in the 9th or 10th K.O. Then to jump on the bandwagon of the Ricky Hatton's army of loyal support. Bums on seats, period.
Posted 09:41 4th December 2008
Dan Woodward says...
Good article Adam but i cant help thinking you have under-estimated the little man. People are not saying Pacquiao is the best pound for pound fighter around at the moment for nothing. Even if he does step up a bit of weight this guy is a work horse, he may just surprise De La Hoya. I am a fan of De La Hoya and i hope he does win as, i think like most, i would like to see Oscar v Hatton! But dont think Pacquiao will go down "emphatically", this could be a really great fight and i for one am really looking forward to it!! By the way, are they expected in the ring around the same time as Hatton was, about 4:30 our time??
Posted 09:38 4th December 2008
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