Martin Tyler - Sky Sports Expert

Gunners goners

Title hopes toppled, forwards flagged and grounds gone to

Posted: 19th November 2008 10:27

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Form book stays in the window

I was at Goodison Park on Sunday lunchtime for what turned out to be a very good game between two of the Premier League's form teams. I say form teams because the 1-1 draw stretched their unbeaten runs to five games apiece, the best in the league heading into this weekend's fixtures. Boro played really well but were still unable to pick up a win on Merseyside, meaning they have no Premier League wins at either Liverpool or Everton in their last 18 visits. They have not won in the city since a 2-0 success at Goodison way back in May 2000, when Brian Deane and Juninho were on target, and now have an overall Premier League record of just two wins in 28 there. One man who would have played in some of those games was partly responsible for that run going on of course, with Yakubu scoring Everton's equaliser - his first goal in 10 games since the home game with Standard Liege in the UEFA Cup in September. As for Boro's scorer, Gary O'Neil, he has now scored two in his last four games after failing to find the net in his first 40 games for the club!

AWESOME FOURSOME
Hi Martin. I noticed Scott Parker has been called up to the England squad for the game against Germany. A guy in the office told me that he has won three caps - but all of them were won while he was at different clubs. Surely that can't be right can it? Craig Forster, East Anglia
MARTIN SAYS:
Your friend is absolutely right, Craig. If Scott Parker plays on Wednesday night he will indeed have won his first four caps playing for four different club sides. Parker made his international debut in a 3-2 friendly defeat to Denmark on November 16 2003 while he was still at Charlton. He moved to Chelsea in January 2004 and two months later he won his second cap in a 1-0 friendly defeat to Sweden on March 31 2004.

His third cap - and his first competitive start - came on October 11 2006 in that infamous 2-0 defeat to Croatia in Zagreb in European Championship qualifying. By that time he was a Newcastle United player. Should Parker, who is now of course at West Ham, make an appearance against Germany then he will complete a remarkable quadruple. Although considering England have lost all three of the games in which he has played so far, Fabio Capello might want to think twice before throwing him into the side!

UNITED'S 100 CLUB
It was said today that Ronaldo is the 19th United player to score 100 goals. Can you please tell me who I am missing? I have got: Best, Law, Charlton, Cole, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Pearson, Hughes, Spence, Violett, Rowley, Taylor, Solskjear, Van Nistelrooy. Jonathon Harrod, Dublin
MARTIN SAYS:
Well according to the list we have taken from the official Manchester United website, Jonathon, you have left off four players. Those players are, David Herd (145 goals), Brian McClair (127), Sandy Turnbull (101), George Wall (100). I am guessing you are not over 100 years old, so I can tell you a bit about the last two. Turnbull actually started off as a Manchester City player, but was banned in an illegal payment scandal in 1906 and along with four other City players, joined United when his ban was lifted - and scored the winning goal on his debut against Villa in 1907. Wall was a goalscoring outside left, not a wide player like Cristiano Ronaldo, and I can tell you the first goal of his exact century was the winner in his debut against Clapton Orient in April 1906. It is worth mentioning when talking about United's centurions, two men who were left agonisingly short of the magical three-figure mark: Bryan Robson and Joe Cassidy (who played at the tail-end of the 19th century) both ended their time at the clubs with 99 goals to their name.

DO SPURS FAIL WITH BALE?
Martin. I'm a Spurs fan and I have a theory. The reason for our bad results had nothing to do with Juande Ramos. In fact, it has nothing to do with that clown of a goalkeeper we've got between the posts. I believe all of our problems can be attributed to one man - Gareth Bale. We were doing very nicely under Harry while he was out of the side but as soon as he comes back in against Fulham, we lose. I can't remember Spurs ever playing well while he has been in the team. Is he a jinx? Do the stats back me up on this? Sid
MARTIN SAYS:
The stats certainly do not make good reading for the Welshman. Remarkably, Tottenham have never won a Premier League game with Bale in the team - and considering Spurs is his first top-flight club that means he is still yet to win his first ever Premier League game. He only played eight Premier League games last season before suffering a long-term injury, of which Spurs lost four and drew four. He has already played nine times in the league this season, but is still yet to taste victory. The defeat to Fulham was his sixth loss of the season, Spurs having drawn the other three games in which he has played. Tottenham's games are certainly not dull when he's around. In the 17 games he has played in, Spurs have been involved in two 4-4 draws - the remarkable comebacks against Aston Villa last season and Arsenal this year. In fact, Spurs have scored 24 goals in those 17 games, but they have also conceded more than two per game with Bale in the side - having conceded 36 in those 17 games. For clarity, Tottenham's Premier League record when Gareth Bale has played is as follows: P17 W0 D7 L10 F24 A36 PTS 7. It is worth pointing out that Bale is no jinx when it comes to cup games. Spurs have only lost one of the nine cup games in which he has played - the 2-0 UEFA Cup defeat to Udinese earlier this season.

GUNNERS GONERS?
Martin. I'm afraid that's it. I've given up on Arsenal winning the title and it's only the middle of November. Can you give me any hope? Has a team ever lost four of their first 13 games and gone on to lift the title? Danny Simm
MARTIN SAYS:
The simple answer Danny is no. Looking back at years gone by, no team has lost more than three of their first 13 games and gone on to lift the trophy. The highest number of defeats for the eventual champions after 13 games is three - which was a record achieved by Manchester United on two occasions. In 1996-97 they famously lost to Newcastle, Southampton and Chelsea in successive games in late October/early November and went on to take the title. Then in the 2002-03 campaign they lost early matches against Bolton, Leeds and Man City but still went on to win the championship. To give you some sort of hope, Manchester United had lost four games by November 8th in the first ever Premier League season and they managed to turn it around and finish top in May. They lost their first two games against Sheffield United and Everton and then lost games 14 and 15 against Wimbledon and Aston Villa. But of course it was a 22-team division back in those days and they had played 15 games. Arsenal certainly cannot afford to lose many more if they do have eyes on the top prize in English football, as the champions of the last three seasons have only lost five games in the entire campaign. The highest number of defeats suffered in a season by the Premier League champions is seven - that's how many Blackburn Rovers lost all the way back in 1994/95.

SeasonChampionsDefeats after 13 gamesTotal defeats
2007-08Manchester United15
2006-07Manchester United15
2005-06Chelsea15
2004-05Chelsea11
2003-04Arsenal00
2002-03Manchester United35
2001-02Arsenal23
2000-01Manchester United16
1999-00Manchester United23
1998/99Manchester United23
1997-98Arsenal16
1996-97Manchester United35
1995-96Manchester United26
1994-95Blackburn Rovers27
1993-94Manchester United14
1992-/93Manchester United26

AT LE DOUBLE
Hello Martin Tyler. I see Nicolas Anelka has scored two goals in his last three games and a hat-trick. Is it my memory or is he always scoring doubles in games? Is he highest in the EPL for this? Harold Wattumba
MARTIN SAYS:
Nicolas Anelka is certainly in a rich vein of goalscoring form for Chelsea, Harold, but his braces are nowhere near as common as some of his fellow Premier League marksmen. Not taking into account games where he has got two as part of a hat-trick, Anelka has scored two goals on 12 occasions. His season's best is two times, which he has already equalled. As for the best in the Premier League he has some way to go before catching the top three. According to the boffins at Opta, Alan Shearer has scored two goals 46 times, Thierry Henry 34 and Robbie Fowler 26.

FLAGGING BEHIND ADEBAYOR
Hi Martin, I was just wondering how many times was Nicolas Anelka off-side in the Premier League. I heard that he holds a Premier League record for most off-sides. Jadwiga Przestrzelska
MARTIN SAYS:
Another Nicolas Anelka question, Jadwiga? While we're on the subject I can gladly answer your question, although I can tell you he holds no Premier League records when it comes to being caught off-side. In fact he is not even the worst offender this season! That honour goes to Arsenal's Emmanuel Adebayor, who has been flagged no fewer than 31 times so far, eight more than Hull City's Marlon King. The boffins at Opta have been keeping track of these records since 2003-04 and they tell me that Jermain Defoe holds the all-time high for being ruled off-side, with a total of 226 in the five-and-a-bit seasons since the records began. Anelka is second with 198, which is perhaps where you got your idea from. It must be said though, that all of these players are strikers who love nothing more than to play on defenders' shoulders and should never be criticised! Here is a table of those men caught offside the most, this season and since 2003-4 in total.

PlayerOff-side this seasonPlayerOff-side since 2003-04
Emmanuel Adebayor31Jermain Defoe226
Marlon King23Nicolas Anelka198
Djibril Cisse22Yakubu189
Jermain Defoe22Juan Pablo Angel168
Bobby Zamora21Emile Heskey167
Nicolas Anelka14Darius Vassell167
Peter Crouch14Thierry Henry164
Yakubu14Craig Bellamy162
Roman Bednar12Andrew Cole155

GOING OVER NEW GROUND
Hi Martin, great column. I was at the KC Stadium on Sunday to watch us draw 2-2 with Man City. Whilst stood near the bar, Richard Keys on the television said we are the 42nd team in the Premier League, and the 48/49th Stadium. So it got me thinking, who are those teams and which of them have supplied the Sky Sports cameras with more than one stadium? Obvious ones I can think of are Man City and Arsenal with Maine Road and Highbury respectively, but who are the others? Ricky Coates
MARTIN SAYS:
I have been back through the Sky Sports annuls Ricky, and we can confirm that we have indeed visited all 42 teams to have competed in the Premier League and those 42 teams have provided us with trips to 49 different grounds, culminating in Sunday's day out at the KC Stadium. Of course, as you say, Arsenal and Manchester City have played at two different stadiums while there are six more sides who have played Premier League games at two different permanent homes. Those are: Middlesbrough (Riverside Stadium and Ayresome Park), Southampton (The Dell and St Mary's), Bolton (Reebok and Burnden Park) Sunderland (Roker Park and Stadium of Light), Derby County (Pride Park and Baseball Ground) and Leicester (Filbert Street and Walkers Stadium).
It is worth pointing out that Wimbledon never had their own stadium while they were in the Premier League, so we visited Selhurst Park to watch home games for the Dons and for Crystal Palace. Furthermore, Fulham and QPR have both played Premier League home games at Loftus Road (the Cottagers played there while Craven Cottage was being redeveloped between 2002 and 2004).
The 42 teams we have shown live on Sky Sports (in order of Premier League points gained):
Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton, Blackburn, Leeds, West Ham, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Man City, Bolton, Coventry, Sheffield Wednesday, Wimbledon, Charlton, Leicester, Fulham, Sunderland, Derby, Portsmouth, Nottingham Forest, Ipswich, QPR, Birmingham, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Wigan, Sheffield United, West Brom, Reading, Oldham, Bradford, Watford, Barnsley, Wolves, Swindon, Hull, Stoke.
The 49 grounds we have visited (in no particular order) are:
Old Trafford, Highbury, Emirates Stadium, Stamford Bridge, Anfield, Villa Park, St James Park, White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, Ewood Park, Elland Road, Upton Park, Riverside Stadium, Ayresome Park, The Dell, St Mary's, Maine Road, City of Manchester Stadium, Reebok Stadium, Burnden Park, Highfield Road, Hillsborough, Selhurst Park, The Valley, Filbert Street, Walkers Stadium, Craven Cottage, Roker Park, Stadium of Light, Pride Park, Baseball Ground, Fratton Park, City Ground, Portman Road, Loftus Road, St Andrews, Carrow Road, JJB Stadium, Bramall Lane, The Hawthorns, Madejski Stadium, Boundary Park, Valley Parade, Vicarage Road, Oakwell, Molineux, County Ground, KC Stadium and Britannia Stadium.

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Comments

Steven Banks (Liverpool fan) says...

hi Martin, great column by the way, in response the the international captains question, if you add Dwight Yorke (trinidad & Tobago) to Joe Goodison's list, and even Peter Schmichel (denmark) makes 6 players around the 2001/2002 season - surely this must be a record?? or perhaps an early 90's liverpool team with Molby, rush Grobbelar & co.?? please enlighten us all

Posted 08:50 21st November 2008

Jake Blackwell (Chelsea fan) says...

Adding to the international captain question, Chelsea last year had Cech (Czech Rebublic), Terry (England), Ballack (Germany), Essien (Ghana), Shevchenko (Ukraine), Pizzarro (Peru), Drogba (Ivory Coast) and Ben-haim (Israel) have all captained their countries, thats 8 I can think of.

Posted 16:50 20th November 2008

Chris Hussein (Tottenham Hotspur fan) says...

Hi Martin, Fantastic column and undoubtedly the best commentator around! I am a Spurs fan but am fascinated about the amount of players Sir Alex Ferguson (Fergie's Sons) has managed, who have then gone on to become a football league manager. I can name them all but what i wanted to know, was if you could give me a table of head to heads between them to see who has been the best. Im going to guess at Steve Bruce!

Posted 07:21 20th November 2008

William Mwangangi (Arsenal fan) says...

Hi,u might be right on the Arsenal's league hopes,bt the best way is to wait and see,since even the top three can draw and loose games giving Asenal a chance of bridging the gap.if they win the next two big games i think their hopes will be renewed and a victory against Liverpool next month will work for them given that they don't loose the other games before that.Don't just write them off.bye.

Posted 06:48 20th November 2008

Joe Goodison (Manchester United fan) says...

in regards to the international captains question, i know at one point united had 4 accross the midfield who captained their country giggs (wales) beckham (england) keane (ireland) veron (argentina)

Posted 00:35 20th November 2008

Darren Iddon (Blackburn Rovers fan) says...

In response to Antony Bax's comment, I can state that Blackburn did once in 2006 have the South Africa captain, Aaron Mokoena, New Zealand captain, Ryan Nelsen, Georgia captain Zurab Khizanishvili, ROI captain (for one game) Steven Reid, and Austraila captain Lucas Neill, all in the same squad.

Posted 00:30 20th November 2008

Alan Murray (Manchester United fan) says...

Just on the subject of Gareth Bale, its a bit harsh to blame him. I just dont think he's a left back. He'd make a better left winger in my opinion and he'd track back as well with his engine. Just hope he proves to be as good a player as he looked when he arrvied last season!!!!

Posted 23:12 19th November 2008

Essam Manyologa (Arsenal fan) says...

Hi Mr.Martin! Am a great fan of Arsene and a like the total football style played by these younger stars, but my question comes could you give me any evidence to prove Mr Arsene Wengers' police? I think he should buy experienced players who could bring in changes in time of distress. Supporse we had a player like Eto'o Fils or Superb Striker Fernando the Great Torrres, would have A.Villa have won the game at Emirates? I don't beleive at all. And why is Wenger so rigid in this?

Posted 22:13 19th November 2008

Nayden Naydenov (Manchester United fan) says...

Robbie Keane seemed to take a long time to get off the mark in the premier, much like his Liverpool predecessor Peter Crouch, I was wondering which striker has taken the most minutes to grab his debut goal in the Premier League history? If all the minutes of respective players at each club were to be added up would Liverpool have the longest time? Thanks. Great column sir.

Posted 21:55 19th November 2008

Russell Morgan (Arsenal fan) says...

Hi, one question that been on my mind is who has the best scoring record against any one team in the premiership, like I know certain players have a special gift when it comes to scoring against a team, for me Robert Pires springs to mind against Tottenham.

Posted 21:43 19th November 2008

Evan Armstrong (Arsenal fan) says...

Well, Martin, I can certainly say that those stats regarding Arsenal's title chances did not "make my day"!

Posted 20:40 19th November 2008

Chris S (Newcastle United fan) says...

Hi Martin. With all the coverage over the last few years about so few young English players getting a chance in the premiership, I was wondering if our international short comings could actually be down to not exporting many English players. So I was wondering if you would be able to compare England's squads over the last 10 years with those of other top nations, and see how many players played in other leagues outside their homelands? Surely we are way behind the likes of Italy, France and Spain when it comes to exporting our top talent and this talent gaining vital experience of how to cope with different styles of football?

Posted 18:47 19th November 2008

Antony Bax (Liverpool fan) says...

Hi Martin Following the recent appointment of Mascherano as the captain of Argentina, I was wondering if Liverpool now have the most national captains within their ranks in the Premier League? I can think of Yossi Benayoun (Israel), Javier Mascherano (Argentina), Sami Hyppia (Finland) and Robbie Keane (Ireland). Is this true? Also has this record been surpassed in the Premier League and if so by who? I'm thinking that Chelsea or Everton could be close? Thanks for the great column!

Posted 17:13 19th November 2008

Tom Walker (Tottenham Hotspur fan) says...

With Gomes having such a bad start to his premier league career, has any keeper ever had a worse start? Taibi springs to mind, but surely Gomes must be worse?

Posted 15:43 19th November 2008

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