Stuart Barnes - Sky Sports Expert

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Posted: 01st December 2008 12:44

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Wales: Something to celebrate

Well done Wales; an awful autumn of humiliating loss for the traditionally weaker (but rarely this poor) Northern Hemisphere was rounded off with victory over Australia in Cardiff.

The Grand Slam champions of Europe gave South Africa a second half fright, New Zealand a decent forty minute scrap before combining each half to beat the Wallabies.

Southern hemisphere masterclass

What lessons for the rest of the slumbering European nations? Well first and foremost the team and their management have to believe in one another and the vision of the game being espoused. In England, in particular, and France to a lesser extent, this is not the case and until the management tightens these former dominant European players will be messing around in the midfield of the Second Division international tournament (quality on not off the pitch I hasten to add).

If England and France want to maximise their potential hard decisions are required fast. To be world class a world class coaching team is needed. Whether France possesses such a team is doubtful; England we know lacks it. The problem is that the manager of the team is totally inexperienced. Martin Johnson has made some real howling errors which is no surprise but if he does not surround himself with the best available men he will sink far and fast.

The populist nonsense which, to his eternal credit he has always laughed at, saw him as the panacea for all problems English is exposed. He cannot dominate a field with this presence as a manager as he did so magnificently as a player; he shrank a little bit this last month, even as the reputation of the ridiculously berated Brian Ashton grew.

Martyn Thomas and those men at the Rugby Football Union who demanded Rob Andrew appoint Johnson would shiver in their seats.

Of course, these are early days for Johnson. Once appointed it would be both cruel and stupid to call for his head within twelve months of being appointed. However, he has to help himself by taking the tough options of admitting his error in terms of having a captain not good enough and keeping a management team that lacks the requisite quality. Digging in and being stubborn is the weak and not the strong option. Johnson has to be strong and quickly.

Wales, in contrast, are settled as a management and a squad. Warren Gatland and Shaun Edwards are the men England should have bought, at whatever price. Johnson tried for the latter but by then it was too late, Edwards had committed to his friend and Wales and Edwards has integrity.

Wales go into the Six Nations clear and deserving favourites with France and England floundering and Ireland not firing. I would not write them off too early with a cast of talented players and a shrewd coach. Scotland was much better than their critics would like to admit while the job facing Nick Mallett in Italy seems as intimidating as ever.

Return to Europe

So much for the international game; this week sees a return to the Heineken Cup, growing ever stronger as our international teams tip toe towards second rated status. I am not going to even mention the World Cup draw because - Wales apart - no side should consider 2011 until it finds itself in 2009.

But in Europe, Harlequins (with the integration of New Zealander Nick Evans coming on apace) can stun Stade Francais at the Stade de France. The Parisian giants remain in tentative form and with Harlequins having beaten Bath as a boost for confidence; they should believe an epic away win possible.

My travels take me to Montferrand after Paris where anything other than a Munster win will surprise me. The runners up in the French league are a pale shadow of last season's team that beat Munster in a thrilling game in the Auvergne. Munster almost beat the All Blacks with more than half a team missing. Surely the champions of Europe will feel confident in France.

Les miserables?

It could be a horrible week for French clubs. Cardiff - with the return of their internationals (best wishes to Jamie Roberts) should build on their crucial bonus point win against Gloucester and bag at least a win against Biarritz whilst Leicester are expected to beat a Perpignan team who cannot reproduce league form away from home in Europe.

Elsewhere perhaps Wasps season is on the line in Edinburgh where they will be underdogs against an Edinburgh team confident north of the border. It has been a hard season so far for a lot of Wasps. Defeat will be another set back after the capitulation in Dublin.

So many bubbling stories - heck, I love this tournament. Enjoy the rugby - if you are neither playing yourself nor supporting your team, tune into Sky Sports...it could be a memorable forty eight hours of rugby union.

Now to this week's post

Stuart answers your e-mails

Got a question for Stuart? Email him at skysportsclub@bskyb.com or use the feedback form below...

Money talks

Stuart, It's taken me a while to write as I have been recovering from one of the best, not just games, but spectacles of rugby I have had the pleasure of enjoying for many a month. The recent Munster All Black game, in my opinion, has done more for the sport than any of the so called "internationals" of the past few weeks.

Reading comments on your column recently, I cannot understand how so many people are complaining about the All Blacks and their game. I especially "enjoyed" the comments from "your fellow countryman" from Wales!!! The All Blacks are a privilege to watch and I agree totally with your response regarding where players come from. Rugby is not soccer and long may that last! Everything about the game, everything, makes it the greatest on earth!

Finally, my question! Do you actually think, being English and all, that England had any right over the other home nations to play all 3 of the big boys after those performances?? While we (Ireland) did not show up to the All Blacks, we would have given South Africa a better game than England did and Wales beat Australia so why do England get the 3 when there are much better teams lying in wait for these boys?
Ian Byrne

STUART REPLIES: Ian, on a purely playing level there is no reason why England should have the choice cut of fixtures and certainly when I hear fellow journalists talking and writing about the All Blacks being up for England, I think, 'why?'

The World Cup run aside we are less of a threat to the Tri Nations than we have been for over a decade. There is a Byzantine element of politics involved which is not an area I tend to roam but I bet, financially, all three Southern Hemisphere nations wanted to play England...and London is a great city with a lot of Tri Nationals living there....

Collision course

Stuart, There is a lot of criticism (quite rightly) of the England team at present for shipping so many points against SA and NZ. However, I agree with Martin Johnson's comments that these are our best players. Yes, we can coach them to be more organised in defence and be more creative in attach and maybe only ship 20 points, but I just don't think we can match these teams in physicality. Our best forwards are more lean and athletic than our southern hemisphere friends. Those guys are bigger and faster. You may well refer to Brian smith's comments about identifying space, but at the same time rugby is about collisions and winning those collisions. What are your thoughts on this Stuart, especially with an eye on the Lions tour next year?
Nicholas Wade

STUART REPLIES:Nicholas, the collision is the beginning of the game, the utilisation of the space the way a team wins. For years we have endured the tired old cliché that forwards win games and backs decide by how much. Today's reality is that quality and not percentage of possession wins games, UNLESS the backs and forwards combine to waste or fail to create space in attack. As for the Lions, the fewer contacts and collisions the better, keep that ball alive. We have a chance to out think South Africa but none of out muscling them.

Rudderless England

Stuart, I have just watched the first half of the England Vs New Zealand game, I am shocked at the lack of leadership and discipline shown by the England team and in particular the captaincy, as a world cup winner Johnson should know better than anyone that discipline wins matches and he needs to be looking elsewhere foe strong leadership and a captain who can talk and control his forwards. Who do you think should be captaining England?
David Richardson

STUART REPLIES:David, I cannot disagree with one syllable of your shocked reactions to Saturday. What I will add is that the appointment of Borthwick as captain and the dropping of Nick Kennedy after one fine performance is a timely reminder that England appointed someone with absolutely no experience to manage the national rugby team. Johnson's inexperience is his defence but it does not help England and nor should it console its fans. Long term I remain in the minority of one who believes Danny Cipriani is the man to raise our ambitions and release us from the tyranny of unthinking tight five forward control. He must get his game back first, however, until he does Tom Rees gets my vote.

Thanks for the questions...to France and the Heineken Cup and a sneaking feeling that Harlequins must just.......

Comments

Colin Lowen says...

I am dissappointed with the reaction of a lot of people on the current performance of the England squad and criticism of Johnno. Firstly, I can't ever remember Woodward being an instant success and winning everything in sight immediately, whilst there has been comment about Wales giving NZ a good game for 40 mins. If I'm not mistaken, England were retaining a significant proportion of the ball and just 12-6 down up until around 60 minutes into the game. At that point, a certain commentator decided to mention that we might have a chance if we were still in touch with 20 minutes left to go. A curse if ever I heard one! I think everybody agrees that we didn't seem to have the thrusting edge and were unable to break through superb SA & NZ defences, but to have the significant possession that we did is very positive! As long as we learn from our mistakes and take notice of what is needed to win games, we will improve. Let's get behind the team and the main man and keep our support up for the 6 nations, as it must be very lonely out there in a very tough arena without the undying support of your home fans. Good luck England, for the 6 nations.

Posted 17:36 5th December 2008

Daniel Jeffries says...

The big difference between North and South is that it matters more to the Southern Hemisphere teams. Our international players in the North get paid substantially more at club level than their Southern counterparts and have got a bit to "comfy'! When all is said and done, if England go out and lose three big games at home it's not the end of the world because they are back at their clubs getting paid very well the following week. Unfortunately the influx of money into rugby has taken some of the heart out of the game especially at international level especially in the North. Only my opinion though.........

Posted 17:40 4th December 2008

Philip Hands says...

Its great reading all the opinion of subscribers regarding the current lack of form of our national side, it seems obvious to me that we need only to look at the quality of our football side, do we not see these foreign players keeping out our young blood from coming through. Watching the Welsh prior to kick off was there simply loads of national spirit and pride, which does seem to be lacking somewhat with our lads.I love to watch England win or lose , but hopefully Johno pulls us through and we get back on track , but i suspect it maybe sometime coming.

Posted 18:36 3rd December 2008

Ed Haslett says...

I agree with Robert, let these younger players learn the hard way against the best. Clive Woodward started the same way and it seemed to not go too badly in the end for him.

Posted 17:10 3rd December 2008

Barbara Benson says...

i'm fed up with everyone knocking Martin Johnson.Ok he lacks experience but he has the passion and the sheer grit and determination to commit himself to taking on a job no-one else wanted.Lets do what the twickenham crowd did and give him and the team our total support.That is what they are doing for us. the team were badly disciplined but correct that and we will have a new fresh team with an awful lot of passion and commitment. Bring on the six nations.

Posted 16:57 3rd December 2008

Robert Willis says...

I do not believe Italy are better than England and cannot believe anybody would come up with such a ridiculous comment. I can honestly say that from what I can see there are a few positives - Armitage for one and Lipman who in the final test against New Zealand managed to be everywhere. I think we tend to forget is that we a now really building a side for the next world cup and what better way to do than throw them in the deep end against the three top sides in the world. A disappointing few tests, yes, a disaster? I think far from it, ENGLANG TO WIN SIX NATIONS!

Posted 12:00 2nd December 2008

Rob Scriven says...

Don't know about the crusaders over Munster, didn't a nearly second string Munster side give the New Zealander's (all be it second choice team too) a bit of a fright only a couple of weeks ago. I do not subscribe to the myth of inevitable Southern Hemisphere superiority. Yes the Southern Hemisphere is superior in some aspects of the game, the North traditionally stronger in others. As soon as we get rid of the silly E(xperimental remember!)LVs we will be back to playing Rugby Union (rather than faux league) and we shall see who is superior. In the meantime, England can get some decent coaches in (I believe that Jake White might be available still?) and start to build a team of the best players in the country (not what we had a Twickenham last month).

Posted 11:43 2nd December 2008

Oliver Behan says...

@ Luke Ryan No they are not, simple as that!

Posted 10:59 2nd December 2008

Luke Ryan says...

are italy better than england?discuss....

Posted 16:20 1st December 2008

Nick Fitness says...

I have been pondering the demise of England & largely Northern Hemisphere Rugby. The most noticeable things to me: 1. Lack of structure in the European season. 2. Lack of preparation for National matches. Lets think about this for a while, why are the southern hemisphere so good?, This can be attributed partly because of the proud sporting nature of the three countries, followed closely by the club and secondary school setups that produce rugby players on production line. These feed into domestic competitions, into franchises then ultimately into the national teams. The Super 14 really is the key, it gives players the opportunity to play against the best in the world and develop partnerships which tend to follow into the national set ups. Super 14, which I might add, still produces better rugby then any Heineken cup match (You may disagree but most would fancy the Crusaders over Munster any day). Following this cycle we have the national set-ups. Once the national teams are named, usually the last week of the Super14 calendar. The Squads get together, the key to this is that they spend almost the next 7 months in camp. This allows the management teams to nurture and build winning squads. There are small windows where some of the players are released back to the domestic unions, before the European tours but this is monitored to prevent burnout. The remainder of the time the squads are in camp they are under the guidance of trainers and nutritionists, sports doctors the lot. This structure is the key to southern success. Compare this to the rugby calander in europe where domestic clubs have all the power and the number of foreign players earning their pensions exceeds that of available talent and prevents devlopment of others.

Posted 14:23 1st December 2008

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