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Atherton expects same side to start next Test match

Posted: 09th June 2008 12:15

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Collingwood

Collingwood: struggling for form

You can only beat what's put in front of you and England did that pretty well in this series.

We may not know the value of this victory until England face a stronger side in the shape of South Africa later this summer, but this series finished on a very good note, albeit against a very poor New Zealand team.

There are still areas where improvement is required, particularly the middle-order batting and the occasional inconsistency of the bowling, but England did what they had to do and I'm fairly certain that they'll raise their game when they have to against South Africa.

Winning will bring its own momentum and will certainly breed confidence amongst the players.

England can take away many positives. Michael Vaughan's captaincy was good and his batting looked much better, while Kevin Pietersen looked back to somewhere near his best at Trent Bridge.

Andrew Strauss in particular was back to his very best form - which is a real plus point for England - and James Anderson and Ryan Sidebottom were swinging the new ball lethally at times and looked very dangerous.

The only real downside was the form of two or three batsmen; Paul Collingwood, Ian Bell and, to a lesser extent, Alastair Cook, who is starting to find life in international cricket a bit tougher than before.

Collingwood and Bell are the main concerns and it's a big bonus for them that they've got a month of one-day cricket coming up.

Changes

If the selectors had to pick a team to face South Africa today, then they'd probably make a change but given that both players might shine in one-day cricket and build their confidence in the coming weeks, then there's a fair chance that the line-up will be the same by the time the South Africa series comes around.

Both of them will have the chance to play a bit more freely and there won't be quite as much pressure on their technique. Coming in at number four in one-day cricket is easier as there will be fewer slips and you can get away with one or two mishaps.

As captain, Collingwood will have other responsibilities and that could take his mind off his own game. Worrying about other people for a change might be good for him and it will hopefully allow him to play with freedom and get some runs on the board.

The selectors don't want to drop Collingwood, that's for sure. Although it shouldn't really matter, it would not be ideal for the one-day captain to be left out of the Test team.

Both Collingwood and Bell have their good points; Bell is a classier player but Collingwood can get runs in tough situations. If a change was to be made it would be a tough call to decide who should be left out.

Ravi Bopara would be the obvious candidate to replace one of them and Owais Shah would also be considered. However, I suspect that Bell and Collingwood will get runs in the one-day matches and we could see the same six batsmen starting the first Test at Lord's next month.

Considerations

Andrew Flintoff will not be fit for that first Test and he needs to prove that his body can withstand the rigours of first-class cricket - and show some form with the bat - before he can be considered.

He may be available for the final two games, but I'd have thought it's unlikely he'll figure. There's simply too much for him to prove.

I'm happy with how the attack is looking at present. The nature of swing bowling means that they will not always be metronomically accurate, but Anderson and Sidebottom looked dangerous for long periods against New Zealand.

Sidebottom was outstanding, Anderson was fantastic at Trent Bridge and both looked capable of taking plenty of wickets.

Monty Panesar came in when required at Old Trafford and Stuart Broad is going to be an outstanding cricketer, so by and large I'm happy with the bowlers.

There will be some hard choices to make if and when Flintoff comes back and if Simon Jones is fit because you'd think those two bowlers would be in the equation, so there will be decisions for the selectors in the future.

But as it stands, I feel exactly the same side will be picked against South Africa and while they will need to raise their game against a tougher opponent, this team are more than capable of doing that.

Comments

Michael Turner says...

If only Trescothick could still play for England, Bell is fine as a No 3 or 4, not so good 5 or 6. An ideal England line-up would be Trescothick Strauss Pietersen Vaughan Bell (better 5 than out of the team) Flintoff (bat with orders to just HIT the ball) Ambrose Broad Sidebottom Anderson Panesar ODIs; - Trescothick, Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood, Flintoff, Shah, Mascrenhas, Wright, Mustard, Sidebottom, Anderson/Broad My team for the future 5 years down the line on current form would be;- Cook, Horton, Bell (c), Pietersen, Bopara, Wright, Broad, Ambrose (wk), Rashid (if he improves, otherwise Panesar at 11), Sidebottom (may be too old) , Anderson

Posted 14:47 11th June 2008

J Dizzle says...

Bell is clearly a quality player and don't forget he scored a hundred in the series in NZ. Collingwood, however, is not a Test match player and never will be. He is a solid player who gives 110%, but if you aint good enough, you just aint good enough!! Someone clearly likes him, why else would they continue to pick him? Yes a world class fielder, but at point and not 2nd slip, where he's put a few down and his bowling is not up to Test match standard. The No6 birth is tradinoally the batting birth that you 'blood' a player in, why not give Bopara a shot against the SA's then - he's a good fielder and his bowling is no worse that Collingwood's?

Posted 13:41 11th June 2008

Lawrence Kershaw says...

Let's be honest, Collingwood has never really been a Test player. Even less so if he can't turn his arm over as a holding fourth seamer. Bell I would like to persist with but what about - instead of the usual Shah, Key lobby - looking at Paul Horton from Lancashire? They've a terrible batting record this season and yet he's consistently been highest scorer and the one to raise his head above the mediocrity. Good fighter who has undoubted ability and will not throw away his wicket.

Posted 13:39 11th June 2008

Daniel Farrar says...

I think that whilst it is true that Bell and Collingwood are both out of form, Collingwood in particular has dug England out of sooo many tight spots with his batting he deserves to have the selectors stand by him for at least a couple more test matches to give him a chance of getting some time in the middle. Obviously if he continues to underperform then he should be dropped for a player in god tough like Shah, Bopara or even Trott. One day cricket may have come at just the right time for both Bell and Collingwood to hit themselves into some form so for now anyway the jury is still definantely out on them.

Posted 09:33 11th June 2008

Martin Hicks says...

I believe we are mis-reading our batting ability. It' is true that our top 6 average 40 but the best players have moved on and average over 50. If England and Australia played to their averages over 2 innings we are at least 100 runs behind. I don't think Bell and Collingwood are as good as Hick and Ramprakash who were both considered nearly men at Test level. Bell and Collingwood have been given a fair chance and must either deliver or make way for Bopara, Shah etc. I think anyone scoring 100 hundreds is a great player and at Test level to be a modern great you need to score approaching 30 Test centuries. I haven't seen anything to suggest that Bell .or Collingwood will come close to that.

Posted 22:57 10th June 2008

Conrad Davies says...

I would keep Bell and Collingwood in the side for the start of the South Africa series as I dont believe we are awash with batting talent. Im not convinced about Shah and Bopara. But it is essential we find a new batting star. The recent additions to the team have come in when there have been injuries, even Strauss only got his initial chance due to an injury to Michael Vaughan. However, these players will need to perform against South Africa. I just hope that the selectors do not rigidly forget Harmison, Hoggard and especially Simon Jones, who is bowling great and should be in the one day team now! Im not convinced by the one day team at all! I would have Prior in and Cook out, Bell to open and no spinner! My team: Prior (wk), Bell, Pieterson, Bopara, Collingwood, Flintoff (when fit), Wright, Mascarenhas, Broad, S.Jones, Sidebottom.

Posted 20:30 10th June 2008

Chloe Mckenna says...

I think it's unfair to say that Bell should be dropped because he's a good player and people were singing his praises in the last test series as one of the best players of spin in the England side he's had acouple of bad tests and people are calling for him to be dropped.As for Collingwood i think he'll come good for the one dayers and prove all the doubters wrong.An England team without these two becomes a lot weaker.

Posted 16:36 10th June 2008

Edward Ashworth says...

Am I the only one who thinks that the England selectors are being guilty of double standards here? Hoggard had 2 dodgy tests and he's dropped.... Collingwood hasn't scored a test hundred for over 12 months. If they were being consistent then he should have been dropped after the 1st test? Some argue that he adds an extra dimension in terms of his fielding and his bowling - ok so he's an excellent fielder but he's never going to scare top quality batsmen with his dibbly dobbler medium pace. Give Shah a go or try and bring through someone like Luke Wright or Bopara. I think England are hiding behind the "Don't change a winning team" mentality - unfortunately I think South Africa are good enough to show us up. We can't keep relying on KP or the bowlers to get us out of the mire, England's middle order simply has to change!

Posted 16:33 10th June 2008

Paul Ellis says...

It should be a closely matched series. I think their bowling is far superior to ours, unless the pitches turn but our batting is (on paper at least) much stronger as long as Bell is back to his best form. Collingwood i am less certain about..maybe Shah deserves a run in the side at last as i am not convinced Bopara is good enough. His reputation as an international cricketer still seems to be based on the innings against Sri Lanka in the world cup.

Posted 13:10 10th June 2008

Zac Stanger says...

i don't think colly or bell should of been in the last test match we have players who are in outstanding form in shah and bopara who are scoring hundreds for fun. when are they going to give the people who are in form a chance.

Posted 11:39 10th June 2008

Peter Colebrook says...

collingwood and bell are class players who will come good again 2 bad tests shouldnt spell the end of their test chances, they have bailed england out many times and desevre their places. they are also the 2 best fielders in the team which is often a neglected area of the game and one of the most important

Posted 11:01 10th June 2008

Bac Night says...

sorry i have to say england might look bit better against weaker team but real colours will come out when they play south africa england still havent produce an world class bowler some one like waseem akram,imrankhan,or glen mcgrath.i dont think they will ever,its just the media who make them look like bit better always,i have never seen engand climbed out over 6th place in last 12 years one day rankings,and i dont think they will ever win the wold cup either.

Posted 00:49 10th June 2008

Litha Mpondwana says...

The England vs SA test series will be very interesting from a South African's perspective as well! It's unfortunate 2 see Collingwood and Bell out of form, and I do believe that Cook will struggle against the angled bowling of Ntini, or the lateral bounce which Morne Morkel regularly generates.The SA team, like England will also face a big test. It's been said that Steyn favours bowling to right handers rather than left handers, so with the number of left handed batsmen in the england team, he maay be challenged. Amla, who has been the most improved SA test cricketer this past year, will test another vulnerability of his - facing swing-bowling, and McKenzie will look 2 prove that his early season international form, is no fluke. I do not see the england bowlers really troubling the SA batsmen, and I believe that hte course of that series will be determined by how Sidebottom or the pace trio of SA fares. Collingwood is a cricketer I liken with Mike Hussey, or Gary Kirsten, in terms of mental capacity, and the English should think of a big score from him in tests being one innings away.

Posted 22:23 9th June 2008

Mohammed Kauser says...

keeping both collingwood and bell is for the sake of consistancy is a joke...both have had numerous chances to prove themselves but to no avail..same goes for allister cook....he has weaknesses which the SAs will expoilt.... my team would be....... 1 strauuss 2 vaughen 3 pieterson 4 undecided 5 shah 6ambrose 7 bopara 8borad/anderson 9 simon jones 10 sidebottom 11 panessar

Posted 15:15 9th June 2008

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