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Stuart Barnes Posted 13th February 2012 view comments

Those who are pointedly critical of this year's England model are attracting a fair amount of flak. The doubters point out that England may have won two away games but that the opposition was the tournament's second tier.

It has taken Scotland 380 minutes to score a try and Italy has finished last in nine of the previous Six Nations, never beating some pretty average England teams in the process. These are not mealy mouthed negatives but facts.

Robshaw:Skipper (centre) led England to victory

Robshaw:Skipper (centre) led England to victory

Understandably plenty of people want to wish England into a place they are not playing. Credit to them and the impressive leadership of Chris Robshaw for toughing out wins against the two Six Nations teams that failed to even make the quarter finals of the World Cup but defeat was a distinct possibility in both games.

Let's just hypothesise a moment; Charlie Hodgson does not charge down a kick in each game and England are a win and a draw after two games. The detractors would not be in a minority then. Of course, history is not there for the rewriting but I want to force us to think of our response to the QUALITY of the performance and not merely the results that were both in the balance.

For all the freshness of faces there remain many similarities between the way England played under Martin Johnson and the way they are playing under Lancaster.

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Once you do that we are left with little more than commitment and spirit from a young team. That is all well and good but it is not as if no other team has a surplus of pride in playing for their country. Wales will not arrive at Twickenham in an indifferent mood in little under a fortnight.

Defence under attack

The defence has been questionable at times, especially against Scotland who made several line breaks that should have resulted in tries.

Their own ineptitude rather than English scrambling saved the day. Wales were far from their best, especially at the breakdown without Sam Warburton but they have revealed a consistent ability to take their chances.

Attack has been an inside ball, a scissors with Brad Barritt and lofted cross kicks. Two tries from two charge downs says it all. Again, this is not some miserable savaging of England but a simple truth. Stuart Lancaster's team are exceptionally determined but there is nothing happening to bring a single convert to the sport. If England's first two Six Nations games were your introduction to the sport would you honestly drop football, cricket or national hunt horse racing...would you, honestly?

So, let's cut some slack and say these are the first days of the new regime. All right, we will judge them on the strength of the next three games. If they lose them will the supporters who support because this is not the last regime maintain their voice or will the nation descend to the criticism which a few of us are voicing at the moment?

The current critical view is that the way England is playing is most unlikely to see them beat the top tier nations. It will take improvement to achieve that; improvement, variety and more bravery in attempting to win quick ball. For all the freshness of faces there remain many similarities between the way England played under Martin Johnson and the way they are playing under Lancaster.

One win and two defeats with a certain quality of play above what we have seen so far would be a decent return even though England are standing top of the pile, two from two. It is not a miracle but development I am looking for. For all the cheer of the first two wins that is not yet on the horizon.

Dragons' roar

Wales are also two from two but were second best in terms of possession for much of Sunday's game against Scotland. But rugby is not about possession it is a matter of points and Wales took advantage of Scotland's period when it had players in the sin bin to rattle a quick 24 match winning tally.

They will be favourites on the strength of their finishing at Twickenham but England - at home - is not without hope. My hope is that, win or lose we see something to convince us that bad things are not awaiting the team when they travel to South Africa. At the moment the Springboks would hammer Lancaster's team. Development in many aspects of the game are required and quickly.

Fans frozen out

England's win was not a thing of beauty but at least we had a game in Rome. The farcical situation in Paris needs careful consideration. The sport is not cast in a good light when 80,000 people pack a ground late on a Saturday night and are informed minutes before kick off the game is cancelled because of a frozen pitch.

If France want 9pm kick offs, the Six Nations committee has to guarantee that the game will not be threatened. Cold Februaries in France are not as unheard of as snowfall in Rome (my taxi driver to the airport Sunday claimed it was Rome's first snow since 1985). Between the tournament administrators and the French Union a massive slip has been made, leaving Dave Pearson having to make a major decision involving misery for a lot of people who had paid plenty of money for match tickets.

Away from the international game I have yet to see the Premiership matches but Exeter's double was worth noting as was the irony of Newcastle winning a bonus point in defeat at Bath but conceding four tries in their first Premiership match with err, Mike Ford and John Wells involved. This sport delivers its twists just when it all seems ever so slightly predictable. That's why we love it but my concern is to get newcomers involved and in love and that's a reason for us all to hope for something a little more dashing at Twickenham, the weekend after next.

We are at Bath for the derby match with Gloucester; that should be exciting with both teams finding their attacking range; the next day it is Saracens against Leicester - the teams that have played out the last two finals; with Leicester having leaked 50 points against Saracens at Welford Road earlier this season and Exeter having beaten them on Saturday, it will be - at the very least - intriguing.

Saracens are profoundly tough to beat but not finding it easy to win adoration or new fans...which bring us back to where this column started.

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Miller time?

What is your view on Sale's Rob Miller? He has been on my horizon for a number of years. I played with and against his father when his father was finishing and I was starting. I liked him as a 10 for England U20's and this season at wing or 15 he has been brilliant. He is in the top three in the league for; tries metres (843) defenders beaten and clean breaks. And yet he does not make either of the England squads. Why is this do you think?Barry Bunn

STUART REPLIES: Barry, Rob Miller has had a fine season but if we start selecting squads in stats alone we are in more of a mess than we have been for some years; and, selectorially that has been quite some mess. He's a good player but not ready for international rugby yet. He has to keep playing and improving.

Man of Steel

Hi Stuart, Owen Farrell is a very good kicker but he contributes nothing offensively. I think he should be replaced by Olly Barkley who plays with his head up, can open up defences and can kick as well. What do you think about this? Thanks. Mick Collyer

STUART REPLIES: Mick, Farrell kicked with incredible nerve in Rome. England would have lost without him and I would not rely on Olly Barkley or any other current kicker to do as he did. He will stay for that reason. I have some scepticism regarding the rest of his game but have to give him the major benefit of doubt. He is hardly alone in not creating any attacking impression, now is he? If we drop every English player with a limited offensive contribution Stuart Lancaster will have to start with a clean sheet of paper!

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Graham Jenkins says...

Hi Stuart I think England will play a very tight game keep the ball in the pack. When the ball does come outside their protection it will be fired down field into touch where they will attack the Welsh lineout. which hasn't been very good. If Wales don't have the ball they can't play has to be the mantra for the English. If Wales do get enough ball i think it could be a mauling..

Posted 09:03 22nd February 2012

Ian Thomas says...

Rugby is a game we all love lets wait until the 25th and hope the game wins. BUT COME ON WALES

Posted 21:52 21st February 2012

Mart Been says...

MIKE BRACE comments on here are stupid! i think it is the welsh like him who are showing an awful lot of arrogance! if england were this cocky and confident going into a game they would be branded so arrogant! ok when wales do this! i hope they don't embarrass themselves england have nothing to loose.

Posted 17:18 21st February 2012

Richard Morgan says...

Well a point on Camerons question, Yes farrell has not looked good going forward but then the ball coming to hodgson from youngs has not been fast and great. Farrell has been spot on in his kicking so far. Lets be Honest our centre pairing has been a problem for a longtime. I am disappointed sharples on the wing has not been given a shot he is electrifying and slippery.

Posted 19:46 19th February 2012

Howard King says...

Stuart, I remember two seasons ago that England were playing their usual cautious game and, before the France match in Paris, Johnson brought in Ashton and Foden, two in form players. This led to a more attack minded England performance and, If it wasn't for the Ashton chip rather than pass, England could have won that game in Paris. Perhaps with the return of Tuilagi, Flood and Lawes and a start for Lee Dickson we could see a change in the England performance that might challenge the bigger 6N sides.

Posted 12:56 17th February 2012

Steve Brookings says...

Stuart, I'm struggling to see how you can be so critical of England's performance as later in your report you defend Wales' lack of possession by stating that it's points that matter, nothing else. Is this not the case for England too? Yes the performance level needs to be increased to beat better opposition, but you can only beat what's in front of you. Yes England's tries have come from charge-downs, but the 2 they conceded came from England handing them on a plate. Yes the entertainment factor has somewhat short of the other games happening in the tournament (if you want entertaining, watch the Simpsons). But the fact that nearly half of the 22 have under 5 caps should hold far more weight than you appear to be allowing. You were one of the leading voices calling for a regime change and for these younger players to be given a chance. So please, give them a chance. And as we're hypothesising, say Kris Burton suffered the same fate as Nick de Luca did. Maybe England could've been as impressive (and entertaining) as the Welsh.

Posted 10:09 17th February 2012

Andrew Peters says...

Nearly every england rugby supporter I speak to has the same opinion. They would all rather see England play some rugby and lose having scored 3 tries and shown us they can actually play, than continue with the 'they shall not pass' defensive infatuation that allows no player to try anything 'just in case' he ends up out of defensive position - this is evident in everything we do - Ashton is no longer on anyone's shoulder etc etc - it is all to scared and so so so so boring. We want to see England play not just stop the whole game being any enjoyment - I have recently met several fans who now prefer to watch Wales and Ireland !!! Says it all really

Posted 13:02 16th February 2012

Mike Brace says...

ENGLAND WILL BE WELL BEATEN BY WALES ARROGANCE IS SIMPLE TO DESTROY,FRANCE WILL DO THE SAME, AND ITALY WERE UNLUCKY TO LOSE,WALES ANDFRANCE WILL BE THE GREAT BATTLE.

Posted 08:18 16th February 2012

Andy T says...

25th Feb 12, Its either going to be the making or the downfall of this English side. Anyone who loves rugby would have to admit that the 6N is a far better tournament when England are playing well. But I just can't see how they are going to progress against a Welsh side busting with confidence. If they fail to breach the gain line in the way they have so far they WILL get punished by the guile of the Welsh 3/4 and if they try to throw it around a bit, as many are saying they should then there's a good chance they're gonna get smashed backwards by the sheer power of that Welsh 3/4 line. Just can't see any other option for England than the default forward game. Will that be enough?

Posted 02:32 16th February 2012

William Black says...

Is anyone else vexed by the increasing use of great grannies, holidays and length of residence in rugby? Its time that countries valued and developed their own talent. As a Scot i realise that we are as bad as others is it big Nathan who hails from wagga wagga ? strewth !!!!!!!!, England have learned well from Scotland on this score , how many non english in the current squad/line up and the sainted All blacks and awful aussies have raided the south seas for years . Its time the IRB looked at the rules regarding eligibilty, either born in country, or attended school in country for minimum of 6 years (not uni) so as youth development in country of eligibility. Its time for rugby to clean up its act, eligibilty is a complete joke

Posted 21:12 15th February 2012

Peter Hurst says...

Stuart: I recall that before the start of the Six Nations many of the pundits were tipping Ireland as likely champions. They would have beaten Wales in Dublin but for two poor refereeing decisions and they haven't played since, yet they now don't seem to get a mention. Rather a premature write-off don't you think?

Posted 20:15 15th February 2012

Thomas Long says...

Hi Stuart, good to see you making realistic comments on the present England team. I spent a good deal of my time in new Zealand during the last World Cup wondering on which planet you were. It is no good simply saying that this is a new coach and needs time. As Graham Henry rightly says England has an abundance of talent but it will never flourish whilst we persist in playing the Saracens way, particularly when the back row (with the exception of Croft) is so ineffective. Every modern team needs an out and out number 7 and Robshaw is not. Dowson is a good bench player as cover for the back row but not a first choice number 8. That is where the problem starts ...it then spreads to Youngs who is under pressure and a mid field who do not appear to be attack minded. one line break in to games is not on....no matter how inexperienced at this level. Whilst not happy with Englands play in the World Cup it was far better than this lot and actually included created tries.

Posted 17:01 15th February 2012

Phil Lewis says...

As a Welshman living in the southern hemesphere I get to see some great games and players but nothing compares to the thrill of the 6 Nations, much to the confusion of the Aussies. The up coming games against England has the potential to be the game of the tournament, not because I think Wales will win easily, but the style in which the 2 games Wales have played so far incourage the opposition to join in. So my fear is the youngsters in the England side finally produce a fast running game that suits the majority of their backs. Either way the game of the tournament.

Posted 15:05 15th February 2012

Guy Jenkins says...

Stuart.. Ben Youngs.. why is he a pale shadow of the player recognised, and up until now, justifiably, as having all the attributes needed to be a top, top, operator. Failure, criticism, and the spectre of rejection, are experiences that he will have had unlikely to have encountered. Outstanding through the age grades, Premiership debut at sixteen/seventeen, England shoe in at twenty, Times columnist..the curve inexorably upwards. Maybe, just maybe, too smooth a curve. Let's hope he gets his confidence back, and returns stronger, he is such a talent. Just a thought, perhaps the English Academies could look at how the Welsh handle their academy boys, this time last year Justin Tipuric and Aaron Shingle were playing in the Welsh premiership. A wet Tuesday under lights in Tonmawr or Bedwas tends to keep you grounded

Posted 00:50 15th February 2012

Nick Cole says...

Stuart how do you feel about the performances of Tom Croft? The guy now how over 30 caps for England and recent performances have been very poor. Every time I read a report of a game he plays in, I read "not the style of game suited for Tom Croft". Yes he played well in the warm weather and hard pitches in South Africa in 2009 but we are not in South Africa or 2009. Is it about time he adapted his game to suit the style of the game or, as often stated, we try another one of our large stock of 6 and a half's? Why are we picking a 6 on his ability to win line outs and his pace rather than his work at the breakdown, his hits, his carrying and his handling a la Kano, O'brien or Sundays man of the match Dan Lydiate?

Posted 16:13 14th February 2012

Phil Tigg says...

Oh of course. We should have seen it coming. A new regime, 2 games in, 2 wins, but the style isn't quite right for you pundits/journos who are Tigers, Wasps or Bath through and through and can't stand to see other clubs providing players to the England team. We have less experience than the Scots and Italians at international level, yet our new team went away to both places and won. There is time to evolve a style. It might help without the laborious Ben Youngs at 9 to generate some quicker ball, but give it some time, please. It's not going to happen overnight. Get Greenwood to write this column in the future, at least he had some international experience to speak of!

Posted 14:33 14th February 2012

Tony Moss says...

Adam Davis and Robert Davis, I disagree with your points there chaps. Firstly re Foden, he is a fine attacking full back, a very elusive runner, his defence has improved imeasurably but he has been quiet so far because he hasn't had any ball to work with. Brown, I agree, is in fine form, but you can't just drop Foden because he's been quiet. Based on that criteria, you'd drop them all. The same for Strettle. He is indeed an international class winger. He has speed, agility, foot work and vision and while I also agree Sharples is red hot at the moment, Strettle also deserves some time on the pitch with the ball in his hands before he ought to be judged. Also like to add that irrespective of his age, I also do not think that Owen Farrell has the right tools for international rugby. We are crying out for inventiveness and distribution skills in the centres and he does not posses those skills. An outstanding nerve and steely tempermant he may have, but if the bloke is only picked because he can slot his goals, I would rather someone who was more creative and perhaps missed his kicks now and then.

Posted 12:56 14th February 2012

David Gibbons says...

Neil... You'll find a Welsh player was sin binned in the 76th minute.... regards the 2nd Scottish Yellow .... He was not just offside but behind the welsh attack and then tackled a player from behind.... also it was a Welsh Break away where the Scottish defence wasn't set.. It was a Yellow...

Posted 12:10 14th February 2012

Dafydd Morris says...

Hi Stuart, I think Wales have been seriously over looked by you guys andvthecrest of the six nations, we got to the semi final of the world cup and prob would have been the final if not for the highly questionable law on the different type of spear tackles,when are you guys going to get it that Waes are probably playing the best brand of rugby, we have strike runners across te team,with the world class backrow we ave who hAve had the beating twice of the so called worlds best back row in Ireland ! We are as good as we have eer been, with returning player I've Alun Wyn Jones, Matthew Rees I believe we will absolutely teach England a lesson come 25 th February , there s no pattern or fear to England play, I know you guys at te rugby club have a job to do but time to take blinkers off !

Posted 11:03 14th February 2012

Maccie Macpherson says...

England at the moment are sorely missing a natural openside flanker since the retirement of Lewis Moody. Arguably the only NATURAL openside for England at the moment seems to be in the form of Steffon Armitage. Steffon is an innovative and clever player of the game and more importantly he reads it well. If exceptions on exiles can be made when it suits (Tom Palmer) then the England selectors should carefully consider what Steffon would bring to their side - because at the moment it is sadly lacking. Over to you Mr. Lancaster et al!!!!!

Posted 10:22 14th February 2012

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