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Martin Tyler - Martin Tyler Posted 10th April 2013 view comments

Martin Tyler's stats and facts column is here!

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Di Canio: hoping to match John Gregory!

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I was at the Manchester derby on Monday night as Danny Welbeck made his 100th Manchester United appearance and Vincent Kompany made his 200th Manchester City appearance, while Samir Nasri played the 200th club game of his career in England.

The result was only Manchester City's third Premier League win at Old Trafford and Joe Hart kept goal in all of them (the previous ones being a 2-1 success in 2008 and the famous 6-1 victory in 2011).

Manchester United's last two Premier League goals have been own goals and even the one before that (the winner by Wayne Rooney against Reading) took a massive deflection. If you count the Champions League they've had three own goals in their last six goals (as Sergio Ramos scored for them in the game against Real Madrid). That Vincent Kompany own goal was United's 99th goal of the season in all competitions and they next play at Stoke, where I shall be on Sunday, looking for their 100th.

Only once before have Manchester City played away to Manchester United as defending champions. That was in 1969 when they also won. On that day it was 1-0 through a Mike Summerbee goal - and he was at the game on Monday. City also won the league title in 1937, but didn't go to Old Trafford as defending champions as Manchester United were relegated in that season. And in the season afterwards, Manchester City were also relegated, despite being the defending champions!

DOUBLE OVER SECOND
Hi Martin. I'm gutted to see United take the title off us - but at least we got one over them on Monday and didn't let them beat us home and away this season! I know we did the double over them last season - but how many times have the Premier League winners done the double over the team which finish second? Matt (Man City fan)

MARTIN SAYS: Manchester United look on course to win the Premier League title back from Manchester City but, as you say, they were unable to complete the double over their neighbours on Monday night, losing 2-1 at Old Trafford after beating Roberto Mancini's side 3-2 at the Etihad in December. City achieved the double over United last season - and fans from the blue side of Manchester will need no reminding of the 6-1 win at Old Trafford - and became only the fifth side to win the league and beat the eventual runners-up home and away in the same season.

The other Premier League winners to do this are: Chelsea (against United in 2009-10), Arsenal (against Chelsea in 2003-04 and against United in 1997-98) and United (against Newcastle in 1995-96).

Below we have detailed all of the occasions when the eventual champions have beaten the eventual runners-up in in the Premier League. As you'll see, it has only happened in 12 of the 21 Premier League seasons. That means there are nine seasons in Premier League history where the champions didn't beat the runners-up home or away at all.

DateWinnerRunner-upForAgainstVenueResultSeason
27-Dec-95Manchester UnitedNewcastle United20HW1996
04-Mar-96Manchester UnitedNewcastle United10AW1996
09-Nov-97ArsenalManchester United32HW1998
14-Mar-98ArsenalManchester United10AW1998
22-Aug-99Manchester UnitedArsenal21AW2000
25-Feb-01Manchester UnitedArsenal61HW2001
23-Dec-01ArsenalLiverpool21AW2002
07-Dec-02Manchester UnitedArsenal20HW2003
18-Oct-03ArsenalChelsea21HW2004
21-Feb-04ArsenalChelsea21AW2004
29-Apr-06ChelseaManchester United30HW2006
23-Sep-07Manchester UnitedChelsea20HW2008
08-Nov-09ChelseaManchester United10HW2010
03-Apr-10ChelseaManchester United21AW2010
08-May-11Manchester UnitedChelsea21HW2011
23-Oct-11Manchester CityManchester United61AW2012
30-Apr-12Manchester CityManchester United10HW2012

HEAVEN IN SEVEN?
Dear Martin. I was thinking about the Sunderland situation after Paolo Di Canio was brought in with seven games to go and was wondering how much of an impact a new manager can actually have in such a short space of time. What is the most number of points a manager has won in his first seven games in charge, after taking over from another manager in the Premier League? Has a manager ever won his first seven games in charge? Jim O'Donnel (Middlesbrough fan)

MARTIN SAYS: We asked Opta to look at managers who have taken charge of a Premier League club mid-way through a season and to highlight the best records from their opening seven games. We have never seen a manager with a perfect record in this situation, but we have seen two men deliver 18 points out of 21 in their first seven games.

One of those men was Guus Hiddink, who took over from Luiz Felipe Scolari during the 2008/09 Premier League season. He won six out of his first seven matches with the only blemish on his record being a 1-0 loss at Spurs; the only league defeat during his entire time in charge at Stamford Bridge. His first seven results in the Premier League were as follows:

Aston Villa 0-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 2-1 Wigan
Portsmouth 0-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 1-0 Man City
Tottenham 1-0 Chelsea
Newcastle 0-2 Chelsea
Chelsea 4-3 Bolton

The other man to take 18 points from his first possible 21 was former Aston Villa manager John Gregory. He took over from Brian Little at Villa Park on February 25 1998 and won six of his first seven matches, losing only to Barnsley. The run saw Villa transformed from relegation strugglers and they eventually qualified for Europe after finishing seventh. His first seven games were as follows:

Aston Villa 2-1 Liverpool
Chelsea 0-1 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0-1 Barnsley
Aston Villa 3-1 Crystal Palace
Everton 1-4 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 2-0 West Ham
Coventry 1-2 Aston Villa

Paolo Di Canio may have lost his first match as Sunderland boss to Chelsea, but could still equal the feats of Hiddink and Gregory if his side win their last six games of the season.

Managers with best results from first seven games (taking over mid-season):

TeamManagerPoints
Aston VillaJohn Gregory18
ChelseaGuus Hiddink18
Manchester CityRoberto Mancini15
Tottenham HotspurMartin Jol15
ArsenalArsene Wenger14
ChelseaAvram Grant14
ChelseaRafael Benitez14
EvertonJoe Royle14
LiverpoolKenny Dalglish14
SouthamptonAlan Ball14

THE LONG, NOT SHORT OF IT
Martin, Which team has scored the most goals from outside the box this season? I'm a QPR fan and I'm not sure I've seen many teams score more goals from long range than us this year. I'm guessing Chelsea have scored quite a few with people like Frank Lampard in their side... Steve (QPR fan)

MARTIN SAYS: QPR have indeed scored the joint-most goals from outside the box this season, Steve, which is remarkable because overall they are the second lowest scorers in the Premier League with just 29 goals (only Stoke on 28 have fewer). Loic Remy's stunner at the weekend was the 12th they have scored from outside the penalty area, which means they have scored 41% of their league goals from outside the box! Spurs have also scored 12 times from outside the area, but they have 55 goals overall (so 22% of their goals have been from long range).

Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle have also found success from that range, firing 10 goals each from outside the box. At the other end of the table Stoke City have just one goal from outside the box to their name this season - Cameron Jerome's stunner at home to Southampton over Christmas.

Goals from outside the box (2012/13):

Premier League 2012/13Goals (outside box)
Queens Park Rangers12
Tottenham Hotspur12
Chelsea10
Liverpool10
Newcastle United10
Aston Villa9
Everton8
Manchester United8
Manchester City7
Arsenal6
Fulham6
West Bromwich Albion6
Sunderland5
Swansea City5
Norwich City4
Southampton4
West Ham United4
Wigan Athletic3
Reading2
Stoke City1

Your hunch was right about Lampard being a sharp shooter from distance - since the 1999-00 season, when Opta started compiling these stats - he has scored the most goals from outside the box (35) and has certainly contributed his fair share to Chelsea's total of 153 in that time. Also on the list is Steven Gerrard, who has hit 30 of Liverpool's 149 goals from outside the box since 1999-00 (which puts them second on the team list) and Thierry Henry who has 29.

Most Premier League goals from outside area since 1999/2000 (players):

Premier League since 1999/00Goals (outside box)
Lampard35
Gerrard30
Henry29
Scholes21
Hasselbaink21
Beckham20
Defoe20
Ronaldo20
Rooney18
Tevez17

Most Premier League goals from outside area since 1999/2000 (teams):

Premier League since 1999/00Goals (outside box)
Chelsea153
Liverpool149
Manchester United148
Arsenal131
Tottenham Hotspur127
Aston Villa107
Newcastle United103
Manchester City94
Everton86
Blackburn Rovers79
Fulham79

INSULT TO INJURY TIME
Hi Martin, big fan of the column! Just seen Newcastle win another game in added time and it has made me wonder what the league would look like if all games finished at exactly 90 minutes, wiping out all added-time goals. Surely Newcastle would be worse off? Dan Reilly (Liverpool fan)

MARTIN SAYS: Papiss Cisse's 93rd minute winner against Fulham has certainly eased Newcastle's relegation fears. In fact, as you suggest, the Magpies have profited from injury time goals more than any other team in the Premier League this season. As you can see from the table below, Newcastle have earned seven points with goals scored after the 90 minute mark - and would be just three clear of the drop zone and fourth from bottom without them.

In contrast, Aston Villa, who are currently just two clear of the relegation zone in 16th, would be four points better off if games had ended on exactly 90 minutes this season - and 11 points clear of relegation in 13th.

At the other end of the table the top eight teams would remain unchanged in their league positions - although fourth-placed Spurs would have a more comfortable four-point cushion over Arsenal, compared to the two they currently hold over their North London rivals. After the week we've just had, I bet Malaga wish games finished on exactly the 90th minute as well!

Premier League table without goals scored after 90th minute

TeamPWDLFAGDPtsDifference
Manchester United31234466313573-4
Manchester City311711354252962-3
Chelsea311876573027613
Arsenal321868533419602
Tottenham Hotspur311687573324560
Everton3115106453312553
Liverpool3213109583919490
West Bromwich Albion321371239381462
Fulham31127124142-1434
Southampton32118134450-6414
Swansea City321010124039140-1
West Ham United31107143241-9370
Aston Villa32107153455-21374
Stoke City32812122636-10362
Sunderland3289153342-9332
Norwich City32614122747-2032-3
Newcastle United32611153653-1729-7
Queens Park Rangers32511162750-23262
Wigan Athletic3167183255-2325-6
Reading3248203159-2820-3

OWN NO!
There were three own goals in this round of Premier League games. How many OGs have been scored this season and what's the PL record? Barry (Man City fan)

MARTIN SAYS: The three own goals scored in the last round of Premier League games by Kompany, Kilgallon and Azpilicueta appeared to take this season's total to 43 own goals. That's level with the most ever scored in a season, a record set in the 2009/10 campaign. However, on Wednesday the dubious goals panel (who've been much more prompt with their decisions this season) declared that a goal initially recorded as a James Perch own goal in Manchester City's win over Newcastle has now been awarded to Yaya Toure. That means we are back down to 42 own goals this season.

So we still need one more own goal this season to match the all-time record and two more to break it (as long as the dubious goals panel don't adjust any more of the goals currently recorded as own goals). It's certainly a contrast to the 1998/99 season when we saw a player put the ball in his own net just 19 times.

Premier League seasonOwn Goals
Season 2009/201043
Season 2012/201342
Season 2011/201241
Season 2006/200740
Season 1999/200039
Season 2010/201139
Season 2003/200437
Season 1994/199537
Season 2007/200837
Season 2002/200337
Season 2008/200937
Season 2004/200535
Season 1993/199435
Season 2000/200132
Season 2005/200630
Season 1992/199329
Season 1996/199729
Season 2001/200224
Season 1997/199822
Season 1995/199621
Season 1998/199919

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