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Stuart Barnes Posted 16th December 2013 view comments

To paraphrase Dickens or some such writer, this weekend really was the worst and best of Heineken times for yours truly.

Glasgow itself was great, busy and bustling, the grandeur and welcome of the city bursting through the December gloom but nothing could penetrate the absolutely appalling lack of quality as the home team lost their back-to-back game with the Cardiff Blues.

North: impressive in the centre for Saints

North: impressive in the centre for Saints

Credit to the Welsh team; theirs is a squad shorn of experienced players in key positions.

The spirit they displayed was admirable but for all that the home side exercised such a fundamental grip on the game in the scrum that, in a match where adverse weather ruled out much brilliance in the broken field, the only result was a win for the side in control of the set piece.

Jim Mallinder must take great credit. To have a team play their tormentors from the previous week with the mental belief in their winning powers is an exceptional effort.

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For Glasgow to somehow defy all logic was astonishing. And it was awful. For the Blues the quality was second to the result.

After humiliation for a half in Exeter they have bounced back to a position where they travel to Toulon joint leaders of the pool.

No wonder the management were backslapping each player as they trooped off, a job well done with Glasgow's inadvertent aid.


The next day there was something of the epic in Dublin when Northampton turned around a 7-40 humiliation to beat Leinster in the new Lansdowne Road.

Yet at the final whistle there was little in the way of celebration.

Heck, even as Jamie Elliot raced the length of the pitch to break an incredible home side siege in injury time there was no whooping and hollering. Just exhaustion and pride at a job superbly done.

Jim Mallinder must take great credit. To have a team play their tormentors from the previous week with the mental belief in their winning powers is an exceptional effort. He and his coaching team also changed their defensive shape.

Instead of trying to blitz the Irish midfield that thrives on tight contests on the gain line, it gave them the gain line and drifted across the field as Leinster worked their wraparound moves to no effect.

Luck always plays some sort of part in such a huge turnaround and Dom Waldouck's bad luck was Mallinder's good. It forced George North into the Number 13 shirt where his partnership with Luther Burrell was superb in attack and defence. The mature effort from the inexperienced Tom Collins who filled in for North on the left flank only iced their cake.

Up front Dylan Hartley ended any lingering discussion over who happens to be the best hooker in England. He was immense, as technician, captain and all round player. Courtney Lawes was not far behind him while Samu Manoa is fast eclipsing Dan Lyle as the best American to play English club rugby.


Leinster are still favourites to go through but the Saints hopes of a best runners up spot took a hammer blow 24 hours later when their near and not very dear rivals, Leicester scored with the last play of the game to beat a brave and much changed Montpellier team.

If they beat Ulster in round six of the competition one of the two sides is likely to reach 20 points, one beyond the Saints who still have a difficult away fixture in Swansea.

With Toulouse and Saracens both already on 15 points and a home match with Connacht and an away game with Zebre to come, that is the other pool of twenty points and best runner up. The Saints are unlikely winners in Europe but my bet for the Premiership title.

Elsewhere Harlequins maintained their decent form against a largely disappointing Racing Metro side. Four points behind Clermont with the French coming to London in round five, you sense they could have done with an extra point here, especially as Racing Metro will offer limited resistance in Clermont in round six.

Munster remains Munster; stylistically unconvincing but huge hearted makers of miracles. Perpignan snatched the win at the end, or nearly. They left Munster enough time to escape from defeat for another sensational victory if not so good a performance. Edinburgh's Sunday win in Gloucester was significant as Munster takes a clear advantage in this pool.

With two rounds of the pool stage remaining here's my guess at the final eight in no order, Toulon, Clermont, Toulouse, Munster, Ulster, Leinster, Saracens and Leicester. What do you think?

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Hi Stuart, Please can you explain to me the farcical forward pass law introduced by the IRB?. This law means in effect that no matter how far forward the ball goes, it is not deemed a "forward pass" if the hands go backwards? Whoever made this ridiculous ruling must have failed his geometry exams in school.

1. When a player makes a pass the hands can swing around it an arc angle in excess of 180deg. Therefore the point at which the ball leaves the hands can propel the ball virtually in any direction. Any player can exaggerate this and make sure his hands end up going backwards. Therefore ensuring a forward pass is not given.

2. How is the referee supposed to see this, unless he refers to a T.M.O.

3. The Australian try against Wales was obviously forward, yet Wayne Barnes referred it to the T.M.O. and did not even wait for his decision, instead made up his own mind whilst looking at the big screen.(Not that I think that Wales would have won )

4. The latest diabolical decision was the second try that Toulon scored against Exeter which was at least four metres forward because Matt Giteau has cleverly mastered this art, ensuring the hands go backwards. Would love this to be discussed and demonstrated on the RUGBY CLUB. However, please tell me your opinion.
David Williams

STUART REPLIES: David nothing I can add to that superb soapbox effort. I am still puzzled how the Giteau pass wasn't signalled forward WITHOUT the TMO.

After another fine performance for Quins on Sunday, do you think Luke Wallace will get into the England team in the next few years? For the moment England seem happy with 2 x 6.5s in the back row (and when they include a proper 8, it seems to work), but will they switch to a specialist 7, and if so should Wallace get a chance?
Alan Debonair

STUART REPLIES: Alan, Luke Wallace is playing well, with that I agree but I can't share this media driven opinion that Robshaw cannot be an effective seven. He has a habit of continually improving his game and is, I think, a fine leader and a good seven.

Stuart, don't you think that the amount of money and foreign players in the league is damaging the national sides? France is suffering internationally due to the influx of foreign players; do you not think this might happen to England if this big money route is continued by the English clubs? On Saturday, 1 to 15 on Leinster were Irish Internationals. Shouldn't English clubs be trying to replicate this rather than copy the French model of big wages and big foreign players? Rugby is all about the grassroots and it seems like the lack of trust in blooding English players is going to hurt England in the long run.
Ruairidh Norman

STUART REPLIES: Ruairidh, Rugby is not all about the grass roots. You may wish it was but the very rich gentlemen that own clubs are concerned first and foremost with the success of their clubs. Whether this means spending big globally or developing via academies in the Harlequins and Exeter manner the priority is club not country.

Hi Stuart, what would you say are the main positives that the Irish side can take from the last month overall ahead of the 6 nations. Have we discovered anyone or have we enough to do the business. The smaller pick we have I feel we need to find a few every year.
Enda Cassidy

STUART REPLIES: Enda, with Joe Schmidt in charge you have found the one key man. Luke Fitzgerald's return is a boost but don't expect too many new faces.

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Neil Goldsmith says...

Stuart the last two rounds illustrated the difference a great 10 makes. Evans for Quinns and Giteau for Tulon (and the Montpelier 10 wasn't half bad). Maddigan to looks good. Great acceleration and raw pace are essential in a world class 10. The rest of the skill set can probably be learnt. To me this means that Owen Farrell will always struggle to be in the top drawer - he lacks that pace. Although Freddie Burns has pace, his game management this year has been appaling. Given that England will need at least 2 quality 10s to get anywhere in the World Cup, Lancaster needs to try out other options. Would you go for Cipriani, who looks to be maturing and managing games better, or Ford (at times looks like an early Aron Cruden). Should the other u/20, Slade, be given a chance?

Posted 16:15 18th December 2013

Paul Newman says...

Hi Stuart England are blessed with 2 world class hookers - Dylan Hartley and Tom Youngs - the latter's performance at Montpelier was one of the stand outs of the weekend. do you agree? Secondly the fixture planning for the last 2 rounds is another example of the insensitivity of ERC. Ulster will have 24 hours more preparation time for the Winner Takes all match the following week assuming results go to form in Round 5. Whilst I know the pressures of TV but for the important games of qualification or not the competition should take precedence - Ulster and Leicester should play at the same time for both rounds. No wonder confidence has been lost in ERC.

Posted 16:02 18th December 2013

Dick Pearson says...

One has to ask why we bother with the rigmarole of what the hands are doing for a forward pass, and with momentum and all the other totally unnecessary sophistries. This merely put Rugby Union in the embarrassing position of emulating sports such as synchronized swimming and judging on 'artistic impression' instead of measuring actual fact. Why don't we just make like simple for players and officials and get back to the intent of the law which is properly measurable - did the ball travel in the direction of the opponents try line - simple.

Posted 16:00 18th December 2013

Brian Brian says...

Jan you have a point about the refereeing which in general seems to be low standard, but in this match you are wrong Northampton pinged us off the park, as much as that upsets us. The forward passing while throwing the hands backwards as mentioned above,I think is more of a problem because as with any of these unclear rules some officials let it go and others dont, Some also seem to just call forward when the ball hits the ground even when it doesnt go forward which also happened to the saints in this game. Also Kearney should have seen yellow as it was a definite try scoring oportunity, we only got away with it because it was so early in the match. Leinster mistakes and Saints attitude are what decided this match not poor refereeing. Great to see Luke back and Madigan is a better fit than Gopperth so hope he keeps his place.

Posted 09:41 17th December 2013

Matt Grimes says...

stuart glasgow were bad, cardiff were poor, the ref was woeful, an absolute disgrace. the glasgow scrum demolished the blues scrum and the ref did nothing, whats more you didnt seem to notice, so stuart you were poor as well.

Posted 22:14 16th December 2013

David Gibbons says...

Jan, i dont think the referee was that bad... he was very consistent at the breakdown .. penalised any holding on so both teams when defending knew they would be rewarded if able to get the hands on the ball... i think you could argue how Leinster were lucky that players pulled a maul down 3/4 times in the space of 10 minutes... twice in the 22 when you could sense they werent going to stop it as it was moving forward and the Leinster players had splinted and their was no cards or warnings... Manoa "knocked on" 5 metres from the line dispite it going back a yard or two... we will always argue with interpretations of laws... but he was consistant and certainly didn't ping Leinster players off the park... Leinster were beaten by the better team on the night as Northampton were week before... shame their isn't a 3rd game this week between the two!

Posted 13:25 16th December 2013

Jan Peeters says...

Hi Stuart, I'd be interested to hear your comments on what was at times sub standard refereeing in the Leinster-Saints match on Saturday last. Some of their decisions were baffling. For instance: - Rob Kearney was penalised for an obstruction that ultimately led to North's try, yet 5 minutes later Dave Kearney was blocked by Elliott and yet got away with it; - When can a scrum-half come round to the back of the attacking side's scrum and not be penalised, even though the ball was still in the scrum and Heaslip hadn't picked it up. With games as high profile as the one I am talking about, we need a team of officials who are competent. Too many times, we get French officials in particular who tend to ping the Irish teams off the park.

Posted 11:58 16th December 2013

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