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David Lloyd Posted 30th October 2009 view comments

Michael Vaughan is right when he says county cricketers need to go and play more cricket in places like India.

It's not a new idea. For years we have picked promising players to go on Lions Tours and we've taken good emerging players on Under-19 tours to the sub-continent. It has always been important to expose players to those sorts of pitches and to see how they deal with spin and such.

Solanki: one of few players to play in India

Solanki: one of few players to play in India

But it would be nice if more players went there. There has always been an exodus to so-called "comfortable" places like South Africa, Australia and New Zealand - but if the lads were savvy they'd go and play in Pakistan and India too.

One or two, such as Vikram Solanki, have gone over to learn how to play cricket in extreme heat on dusty pitches. Vaughan would like to see that done on a larger scale.

I suggest this... when teams come to England we should play three Test matches, three one-day internationals and three Twenty20's. Obviously the Ashes must be protected as a five-Test series but I think three ODI's and three Twenty20 games would have been much better than what we saw this summer.

Bumble
Quotes of the week

Vaughan is also flexing his muscles and is saying what I've been saying for years that county players are playing far too much cricket.

Our cricketers are running on empty and, as I wrote last week, the performance of our two best teams at the Champions Trophy was alarming.

I've been banging on about it for years (and probably boring people to death), but maybe people will listen to Vaughan. We need a better product, better players and better preparation for our signature game, county cricket.

There's some good questions on this topic from readers, so I'll expand on this a bit more at the bottom of the page.

Hammering it home

I was asked to hammer in the last bolt in the new stand at Old Trafford last week. I don't know why they asked me... I was probably the only person willing to go up in the cherry picker.

The stand is fantastic. It's hard to understand the enormity from models and drawings, but it's a massive building and will look brilliant.

People have said it's too red, but that's the colour that's synonymous with Old Trafford, the red rose and all that. I think it's great.

I also went to Whitby for a very pleasant few days this week.

We went on the North Yorkshire Moors steam train, the dog went swimming in the sea and we even visited Goathland, the village where they film the TV show Heartbeat.

It's like stepping back into the fifties. They've got the police car, we saw Scripps garage and we had fish and chips in a place called The Magpie.

Three gallons of vinegar of course...

A golden deal

My golden tie has been sold for £310 on eBay to a man from Kent.

I think he's got a bargain. This was the official Champions Trophy tie - there won't be 50 of them in existence - and this one was signed by Ricky Ponting, the captain of the winning team.

I'm very grateful that Accrington Cricket Club will benefit from that money and I know they're thrilled with the contribution.

We also had a good night at the club called Ashes Revisited. I looked back at the summer series and took a few questions, which raised a couple of grand for club funds.

They served pie and peas too, which was probably the highlight for most people!

Bumble answers your questions...

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LESS IS MORE
Bumble, do you think we should reduce the amount of counties? Australia are so good because they have six state sides, we have 18, or 21, county/other sides playing here. Do you reckon we should reduce that? It would also help distribute money and players will have to fight for their place. Sam G

BUMBLE SAYS: Sam, you're exactly right and I've been banging on about it since I was England coach and had a voice. The quality is diluted by having 18 counties and if we're not going to get rid of the counties (which seems to be a given) then we need to have two divisions with no more than nine matches in each one. There's no need to play any more - just look at every other country in the world. They play less games and they're better than us. With only nine games, every game would be a full-on event and you might find broadcasters would be more willing to show it on television too.

LIMITED APPEAL
Bumble. With ECB scrapping 50-over domestic cricket and a lot of onus on Twenty20 cricket, is 50-over cricket on its last legs? The one-day series against Australia wasn't well received, which granted was probably down to the ridiculous number of games, but is it also a sign of decline in terms of the 50 over game? Do we change it or just replace it with 20-over cricket? Andy Connor

BUMBLE SAYS: At the Champions Trophy in South Africa, the players were saying 50-over cricket is still a very good game. Ricky Ponting says there's plenty of room for that competition and I agree entirely. It's not that the competition is no good, it's that there's too much of it. If you look at the seven one-day internationals in the summer - plus the two Twenty20's - it was simply far too much. The players were all shattered and falling down injured by the end of the series and the product wasn't there for the spectators, who were fed up by the end.

So I suggest this... when teams come to England we should play three Test matches, three one-day internationals and three Twenty20's. Obviously the Ashes must be protected as a five-Test series but I think three ODI's and three Twenty20 games would have been much better than what we saw this summer. Maybe it's not exactly right, but it would reduce the number of one-day matches and would create a better event for spectators. I'd love to know what you think.

Bumble's jukebox

Congratulations to the Brigadier and the Colonel who finally got the lyrics right last week. It was 'Feelings' by Maurice Albert. Back to the usual high-quality stuff this week. See how you get on with these. Name the song and the artist.

"I know where treasure is waiting for me..."

Answers next week!

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John Crofts says...

I expect to be shouted down, but I would actually go the opposite way and bring Scotland & Ireland plus seven of the best minor counties into the county championship, making three divs, each playing 9 matches. I would not allow ANY overseas players in the 3rd Div. That would give home grown players more chance in pro cricket. I would give the playing hours more flexibility, so less time is lost to weather. For example 2 blank days after each 4 day game, so these could be used to complete the match if necessary. I would have 3 up and 3 down between Div 1 & 2 and 2 up & 2 down in Div 3 with a play-off game between the 3rd bottom & 3rd placed county in Div 3. In Test cricket, NO test series should be allowed of less than 3 matches, with 50 ov ODI's & 20/20'S to ALWAYS be a series of 3 matches.

Posted 09:31 14th March 2010

Sam G says...

We should revert back to 3 day county games - it always used to happen and it would hurry up the bowling rates too! I can understand the argument for having fewer counties but we shouldn't just copy Australia just because they happen to have a good international team. The quality and success of international teams varies over the yearsand isn't necessarily dependant on the domestic set-up. Furthermore, Australia is split into states - you can't just create merged county teams. There is too much identity associated with each county. It's like arguing that the Premier League should have 8 or so teams based on geographical grounds, but tell me how many Merseyside fans would want a joint Liverpool/Everton team or City/United team? I also don't go along with the Kolpak argument. If you flood the domestic game with overseas players, what encouragement are you giving to up and coming players to work hard and improve their game. I think counties like Worcestershire should be encouraged - the 2010 season will see them blood several young players with real raw talent. Not enough counties are pursuing a sensible long term business and cricket plan of promoting youth and are instead pumping money and resource into instant success. Alas, cricket is becoming more and more of a commercial activity, like many modern sports. The consequences for smaller counties and their fans are not particularly pretty.

Posted 20:53 27th January 2010

Ben Cahill says...

the ipl allows 4 players from over sees to play in a game easly the way to go surely if england ever wanna win t20 they should do the same imagine how middelsex will be next year in lords tendalker gilley shah hendeson give them 2 more foregien players added would match any ipl team

Posted 18:22 9th January 2010

Jonny King says...

Waiting for the sun by the doors. Whats my prize??

Posted 09:58 6th January 2010

Tim Sadler says...

Too much time is lost in county games making it hard to get results. To help this any overs missed on one day should be added onto the next day with play going on up until 7-00pm if needed.

Posted 22:57 23rd December 2009

Mark Taylor says...

How about this for an Idea re the counties two Divisions North & South. This way your guarenteed your derby matches (Roses Match etc.) and Teams don't have to travel as far for matches. Each in division play each other once a year. one Year at home next Year away. Winner of each Division play against each other in one 5 day match to see who are overall county champions (FA cup Final & League decider all rolled into one). Regular league games would be better attended as you would only have 4 home games a year and carry greater significance.

Posted 13:11 23rd November 2009

Kim Maskell says...

Bumble : am I wrong but are there more left-handed batsmen in first-class cricket these days than in the 1950's/60's when I first started to follow cricket ? It certainly seems that way to me ! Also if only 9 4-day Championship matches were played then the weather would probably wreck a couple of games (especially at Old Trafford !) and spectators who prefer 4-day cricket, like me, would not be able to see much in our short season.

Posted 16:54 12th November 2009

Simon Higgins says...

Yes there probably is too much cricket, but I enjoy going to county matches particulary 4 day games when they manage to schedule them over a weekend so from a selfish point of view I hope they dont every cut it to just 9 games a season - so only 4 or 5 at home... I would like Bumbles views of overseas/Kolpak players. I am a strong beleiver that as long as they are better than the average english county player they add to the quality of county cricket and should be encouraged and not restricted. I seem to remember we had a decent team years ago when some counties had three. An English player will come through if he is good enough anyway and the overseas players will show them the level that is required to make it to the top, instead of just playing against mediocrity as well as passing on his experience. With England Test players all but out of the county circuit the more quality in county teams the better in my view wherever they come from.

Posted 08:18 9th November 2009

The brigadier The brigadier says...

tough one on this weeks jukebox. I have read other peoples comments and when I looked at the B side to Feelings it was confirmed. It is Spanish caravan by the Doors

Posted 07:45 3rd November 2009

Darren Moore says...

Reducing the number of counties will never happen. What about having three divisions of 6/7? A greater emphasis on quality - More player movement between clubs. Players will need to perform in Div1 to play for England.

Posted 13:02 2nd November 2009

Jamie Brailsford says...

i agree with all the comments on kolpak and overseas players but my argument being if a player is good enough to play for england than these players will shine through regardless of how many kolpaks we have, reducing the number of kolpaks and overseas players will result in a less competitive county scene reducing attendences and revenue

Posted 07:27 2nd November 2009

Stan Turner says...

I agree with you Bumble partly, but If you want to increase the quality of the players qualified to wear an English jumper reducing the amount of cricket is step 1 step 2 is reducing the increasing number of 'foreign' players in our domestic game whether Kolpak or Overseas players. Too many home grown young players are deprived of the chance to play domestic cricket by the counties buying in retired international cricketers to bolster their sides & until positive steps are taken to stop this practice English cricket will suffer at International level

Posted 17:38 31st October 2009

Sam G says...

Cheers for answering my questions, nice to know im not alone! Leading on from what you mentioned, do you think we should increase England Lions and Under-19's tours? Particually to place like India and Bangldesh. Because another damage of the county system is that too many promising youngsters might get overlooked and lost in the mix, therefore they'll never get a look in, and end up just being another name.

Posted 12:00 31st October 2009

Garry Hawke says...

The lyrics come from a Doors track Spanish Caravan Bumble you are a legend

Posted 07:45 31st October 2009

Phil Hook says...

Traditionally in this country, a 3-match one-day series was played before the Test series and was used more as a warm-up for the Tests hence attracted big crowds. Now, some one-day series are held after the Test matches and comprise as many as 7 games when spectator interest is waning and players themselves are tired, the effect being poor performances and spectator apathy. The solution to this, in my mind is to have a 3-nation 50-over competition held between the Test series. Where 20-over cricket fits in to all this depends largely on commercial implications and whether or not cricketing authorities decide to push this form as a genuine long-term international competition.

Posted 23:05 30th October 2009

Andy Connor says...

Oh and its Spanish Caravan by The Doors

Posted 20:48 30th October 2009

Angela Mcgregor says...

Bumble's jukebox today is the excellent "Spanish Caravan" by The Doors

Posted 15:02 30th October 2009

Andy Connor says...

Bumble, Thanks for printing my question. With my new found fame Ill head over to the Hesketh and buy you a pint!! I think your idea for fewer games is a good idea except I would prefer (and thats what counts!! what I think!!) That there were more test than ODIs or T20s so 4 or 5 tests with 3 each for T20s and ODIs. This way Tests will maintain itself as the pinnacle of the game.

Posted 14:47 30th October 2009

Leonard Kelly says...

If we want to compete at the top level in cricket be it test, ODI, or 20/20 we have to compete against the best all the time. I know that it is difficult but its no use picking a batsman that scored 200+ when it has been scored against a side where the fastest bowler is slower than a test match spinner. Same with bowlers its no use picking somebody that takes 6, 7 wickets against a side that qould struggle to get 160 in an innings. We need fast bowlers that can bowl consitently at 90 mph + spinners that can turn the ball so that it pitches 2ft outside off stump and spins back and hits leg. To be able to do this we need to look at the coaching side and get the top coaches as well. Lets get a squad of young players together with the top coaches and have them playing against the top teams on a regular basis take them on tours of India ets but make sure that they play matches against top players. No offence Bumble but its no use sending a team any team on tour be it a domestic tour or overseas tour when the teams they are playing against are made up of players that would struggle to get in Accys 2nd eleven. You have come up with a really obscure one this week it is Spanish Caravan by the Doors.

Posted 14:39 30th October 2009

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