Were England's players good enough? Do we need to look to a younger breed? The panel have their say...Back to story
We have to learn to copy the German system of two or three touch football, with constant passing and moving but with everyone knowing their job - and getting on with it. Every time England go out onto the pitch we wonder what the formation will be and who's going to play where etc etc - and the players must be confused - and you can see them making it up as they go along - and struggling. Germany play with the same system each tournament and they don't care if the opposition know their basic style and tactics beforehand. Germany are doing better than us each tournament with 'less expensive' players - so maybe we should just look at them and copy them. I'd happily settle for finishing on average in the semi final every tournament - what are we doing at present - last 16 and playing like wallies. We have too many 'big time charlies' who aren't prepared to do the hard yards against the likes of USA, Algeria etc. They want to win those games at a stroll and think it's beneath them to work up a sweat against 'lower' ranked teams. One of the Germans said he thought our players were not all fit - and one of the Dutch commentators said he could see England players like Lampard strolling around in midfield when they should have been on the run.
Posted 10:27 13th July 2010
What went wrong for England??? Lampard and Gerrard can not be on the same pitch.... Im sorry but weve all known it for years!! when picking a team in the 4-4-2 formation that capello played, you pick a right winger (Lennon/Milner) a left winger (J.Cole/Johnson/A.Young one if not both should have been in the squad) a holding midfielder (Barry) and an attack minded miidfielder... so you pick between the two!!! But in my opinion managers have felt forced to play them both. The pair of them are now wasted talents but there are some oun talents coming through... Rodwell and Wilshere look really good and in the next couple of years hopefully we unearth other talents
Posted 08:53 13th July 2010
i agree the way develop kids from grass roots up is all wrong. But why does so much of our young talent end up in the top 4's reserves? why do they accept setting on the bench at these clubs? why don't they aim lower, and want to play week in n out? another thing i wish we had international wish some guts, as it always the same problems every year i.e, lamps n gerrard, no left footed left winger, no decent midfield enforcer (barry- poor, carrick-average, hargreaves-?, jenas-poor, parker-maybe has heart) heskey, crouch (playing with a big man always ends rubbish,) gks for god stake let hart n foster have ago, call time players who won't play in brazil i,e, james, ferdinand, terry, carragher, w brown, a cole, lampard, gerrard, beckham, owen and look to the future or we may as well check on oldies like gazza, ince, barnes and lineker.
Posted 02:50 13th July 2010
I really think that we need to be more realistic. The England players should be playing to their full potential -which they are not -but the hype that always surrounds any England team going into a tournament creates problems. The players believe they are better than they are and whilst I don't doubt their effort on the pitch their attitude and lack of team bonding on and off the pitch is often poor. They must play for each other and rejoice when anyone does well and instead of thinking ' I have to perform' they should think how can I assist/support /move off the ball etc. REMEMBER THERE IS NO 'I' IN TEAM!
Posted 00:05 13th July 2010
This team has turned up at 4 International Tournaments and done nothing! The managers have changed but the team achievement hasn't. Gary Lineker blames the manager for not being imaginative enough. Maybe Capello did not see enough in the squad to risk a change. Here is a heresy, maybe they aren¿t as good as the media builds them up to be. NEVER I hear you scream, they are great players. Maybe they are but let me state my case. 1) Players are assets. In the over inflated financial world of the Premiership the value of assets assists teams in raising cash. If Terry, Lampard and Gerrard are no longer valued at 10, 20 , 30 million pounds the clubs financial power is reduced. The media have their part to play in this game. It¿s a money machine. 2) Why have none of the English superstars not moved abroad for big money. Could it be they aren¿t good enough? 3) Lampard and Co look good at home because of the internationals who are around them. The sum total of England FC is not that great. Why was Capelloe forced to take 3 crocks? 4) Name a British Iniesta/Xavi in the top half of the Premiership? They all employ or have employed foreigners to do that job: Modric, Deco now Benayoun, Alonso, Fabregas, Arteta and according to rumours Sneider to Man Utd. 5) The way to win the big prizes, World Cup, European Championship, Champions League, Europa League is not to play the British way, that is why Wenger, Ferguson, Ancelotti look to Europe for quality. O¿Neill & Aston Villa playing a traditional British style have come up short again. I watched Spain against Germany, a team that destroyed England. They were outplayed, out thought and out passed. Scotland have them in the Euro qualifying group and that terrifies me. If British football is to challenge properly again the ruling bodies need to change the way we play and now!
Posted 23:45 12th July 2010
The Pundits are generally wrong, the England players played to their normal 'Premier League' best. This however is not good enough without ball playing foreign talent along side them. The only player with a remote chance of getting into the Spanish, Dutch, German or top South American squads might be Rooney but no others! We had a poor defence, poor attack and non existent mid field. England must change not only the players but also the style of game played in the Premier League. 2010 is not the first failure - we have been failing every 2 years at World and European level since 1966. The English kick and run game will not prevail at the top level without talented ball players that can think on their feet. Pundits, please wake up, you are misleading the public and causing expectations to be too high. It now seems that the press are having a dig at the Dutch strong arm tactics in the final. Why, when this universally praised by the media when carried out by Blackburn, Bolton, Stoke every Saturday at 3PM?
Posted 22:40 12th July 2010
England has got very good players and this fact has even been acknowledged by their foreign counterparts who play together with and against them in the Premier League and also in the European competitions regularly.Only recently Messi was talking about Rooney as being 'the best among the best' and wants him at Barcelona. Mourinho has always considered Gerrard, Lampard and Terry as top class players. The main problem is how to make them play together and gel as a team. And that depends mostly, if not entirely on the manager.Without any doubt, the England squad has more individual talents than those of Holland and German squads. Who can say that Heitinga and Van Bronckorst are better than Terry and Ashley Cole ? Or that Klose is better than Rooney ? Many different explanations have been given by the media, football experts and fans public to justify England's failure but I still believe that those who have pointed out their fingers towards Capello are right doing that. He could not make the England team get rid of its chronic disease which has been affecting it since a long time.That is play like a team which reflects the individual talents of the players featuring in it. The last time England reached at least a World Cup semi final was exactly twenty years ago.That team consisted of players such as Peter Shilton,Paul Parker,Stuart Pearce,Des Walker,Terry Butcher,Chris Waddle, David Platt, Paul Gascoigne, Mark Wright, Peter Bearsdley, Gary Lineker. Only a miss by Chris Waddle and a save from the German goalkeeper prevented them from reaching the final. I really believe that the present generation is talented as the one in 1990 and the late Sir Bobby Robson ( who managed that team ) would have done a marvellous job with the likes of the Rooney,Gerrard , Lampard and others at his disposal. I am sure that he would not have picked Heskey and Wright Philips instead of Agbonlahor and Adam Johnson or Steven Downing !
Posted 19:40 12th July 2010
I have been saying for several years now that English players are over rated - they are not as good as people think they are. It is easy to blame foreign players for our problems. But I think the problem is in how we develop football coaches in England - our training methods are obviously not working. We need to learn how to train English kids to play football.
Posted 16:43 12th July 2010
As the guy below has said, here is 23 for a start - Jack Wilshire Jack rodwell Adam Johnson Gabby agbonlahor Ashley young Theo wallcott Chris smalling Danny welbeck Tom cleaverley Henry Lansbury Craig Edmonds Kieran gibbs Mark noble Steven taylor Joe hart Michah Richards Danny rose Danny sturridge Fabian Delph Lee Cattermole Nathan Delfouneso James Tompkins Micheal Mancienne - then you have Rooney, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, Michael Dawson, Huddleston, Bent, Parker, (A) Cole, Carlton Cole, Defoe etc etc. We have a greater number of players to choose from than Uruguay who were a team full of workers with one shining light, they were almost in the final!! Why do you have to have 6 World class players, A spine of 4 should get you to the Semis and then who knows. Dont really know what the problem is but maybe paying the England manager so much has something to do with it. Would you take the risk on an untried youngster, loose a match because of it and then loose the highest paid managers job on the planet?? Maybe we should tell the FA that a management dream Team of Terry Venebles and Alan Shearer with Stuart Pearce in charge of the U21's and David Beckham as a free kick coach is the way to go. ENGLISH SPIRIT!! Our squad needs a freshen up and everyone except the England manager (whoever it is at the time) knows that Gerard and Lampard dont really gel
Posted 15:17 12th July 2010
As muchs as I liked Capello, he just seemed to do the right thing at the wrong time and vice versa. He picked Hesky and Carragher for what they used to be instead of players who are much better and are faster. I like Carragher and all, but to call him out of retirement when you've got great players like lescott who didnt even make the team makes me wonder if he was infact a good manager. He even tried to do the same with Paul Scholes, who doesn't even play a full game at Old Trafford anymore, as much as a good player he is he wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace of international football. Also, leaving guys like Ashley Young out of the team is, in my opinion, stupid. He is a great player with excellent skill. And I would play him over SWP, especially witht he performances he put in the world cup. Capello said he picked players in form, when infact they wasnt, Hesky hadn't scored in a long while and wasn't starting for Villa, where as Agbonlahor was starting and scoring same as Darren Bent.
Posted 13:52 12th July 2010
I dont think its the players playing for the top 4 teams. The last 2-3 world cups thats what we have done .... and look what we have achieved.
Posted 09:38 12th July 2010
We shouldn't think there is anything wrong in the media or English public getting excited, patriotic or expectant when the England national team go to major championships. In fact we should celebrate it. But it is plain daft to suggest the players can't cope with the "pressure" or expectation. Pressure and expectation is what our lads and girls face in Afghanistan and Iraq, or a surgeon carrying out life-saving operations on patients - or even hardworking parents trying to keep a job and making ends meet in the current financial crisis. It is not players earning £100k a week plus sponsorship deals playing football for England. In fact, Olympians manage to shoulder the "pressure" and bring pride to the UK whilst struggling on paltry lottery handouts and working double shifts at work. To me, the simple fact is that Fabio Capello backtracked on this public declaration to only pick players who regularly played for their teams, which damaged his reputation as a firm-minded manager. Heskey, J Cole, Wright-Phillips, Lennon, Defoe and Crouch were all far from regular players at club level and none was in good form coming in to the World Cup. Yet they go to South Africa and, surprise surprise, perform well below par. The time for favouritism is over and the majority of the current squad must be axed. The time for radical thought is here - we have a relatively simple qualifying group for the European Championships, so blood many of the strong Under 21 team. Four years from now, they could develop in to our best chance of being proud of our team at the World Cup.....
Posted 16:43 11th July 2010
Gerrard and Lampard is the problem and these so called experts need to get real and start saying it, rather than thinking about they feelings. All the problem in south africa was the midfield, the lack of ball retention, which forced Rooney to come deep to try and make something happened and the lack of protection and cover for the back 4. I am been saying for years that these two can not play in the same team no matter what system is selected and yet ever manager continues to try and make it work rather than giving another player a fair chance. We have good players in this country, but the problem is that they are not giving a property chance. Look at Darren Bent, he was given 45 minutes of chasing long balls and then he is not deemed to be good enough. Until England starts selecting players on merit, ability and current form rather than, name, profile and club, then it will always be the same.
Posted 14:04 11th July 2010
They say about needed 20 amazing youngsters to come through, what england need is an amazing team; not a group of amazing youngsters. Look at Germany, go through their team and youd pick out a handful if that of world class players, yet they finished 3rd in the world cup, the same almost applies to Holland and theyre in the final. What england need to do is create a system, and select players to fit into the system who are on form and it is their preferred position. Not just select those who are the best and play them anywhere. Germanys team had a lot of the Under 21s who did ever so well last time round, I didnt know a lot of them, yet look how theyve done. Time for england to get rid of the dead wood and those who are too old to really be a success for england and integrate the players in now. Itl be better to miss a Euros and build a team through 2 qualification periods, if it means England could possibly win a world cup
Posted 13:33 11th July 2010
England as a nation need to look at Germany and learn from them. 5 players from this years very strong world cup team played in the U21 tournement last year.. They are a very strong and young team, with plenty of young talent. This is because in the German leagues there isnt many foreign players, they give the locals a chance and make them stars. Our players are good when they have got all these foriegners around them but when it comes to playing together, it doesnt happen. Give the young lads a chance!
Posted 12:00 11th July 2010
Things won't change until the Premier League changes, and that is not going to happen as it is a money machine. People watch the PL because it's fast, exciting and because of the big money it has attracted superstars. We would not be happy seeing Spanish style games..... boring. But superb technically. 1. More academys with foreign coaches to teach our coaches. 2. Less importance with winning, more on technical skills. 3. Ban all league tables up to age 15, just play games to improve skills. Lots of seven a side games or eleven a side on smaller pitches and smaller goals. 4. Make the third division under 21 only and all clubs outside the PL must have a certain percentage of under 21's on the pitch at all times. Sounds drastic, but for the first time in my life I was cheering a German side (after Englands elimination). They were young, enthusiastic, speedy and technically gifted. So much for the legendary English determination and power, we looked like slow old men in comparison.
Posted 10:12 11th July 2010
We must face up to the fact we are just not good enough and unless we fast track the young lads into senior squads it's going to be a long time before we can compete and the big tournaments jordon Henderson from Sunderland along with cattermole are 2 I would put straight into the next squad
Posted 10:11 11th July 2010
There are some good young lads out there, let's face it, though: 1. money and its collaterals kill talent; 2. fame kills talent; 3. insularity kills talent; 4. delusion kills talent. The young and talented player in England wants to make it big with the bank, first, and that's where it goes all wrong. They talk about passion and all that but truly they have zero clue of it all. Clearly players go to Spain where the beautiful game is played. The Prem does not attract people for the beauty of the game. They come here for the beauty of the silly buck loads. This is having a huge influence upon young talented players here. They want a piece of the cake straight away, never mind England!
Posted 06:49 11th July 2010
IMO there are no simple answers but there are many kernels of the truth. Why appoint Capello as he will never produce an England team that will play with bravado? Introduce a quota system into the EPl where a percentage of English players must play for each club and another ruling where so many squad players must be U21. Overhaul Junior development so no players play on a full field until they are 15. Small side football improves touch and means players have to perform in tight spaces. Ban all junior coaches that scream at players to get the ball forward. Encourage every player to hold the ball and never kick it out. Ban all junior leagues and encourage competition through regular tournament play rather than the weekly grinding leagues. Get a panel of expets to decide on a football philosophy for all levels of the game and train the coaches in it. England's whole football philososphy is rooted in the past and it is covered over by the gloss that is the EPl which in all honesty is an international competition driven purely by money and TV. I watch the Budesliga week in and week out and the general technical play is vastly superior to that in the EPL.
Posted 02:26 11th July 2010
I agree that Phil Jones will be a future England star, and a true whole hearted defender , exactly what England need. People talk about Terry being 'an old fashioned' centre back, pffft the lads got nothing to hold up against Jack Charlton and co. Phil Jones is the man Rodwell will fit in perfectly in the midfeild, allowing the more attacking players to do thier stuff while he does the dirty work, again exactly what England needs Walcott, Johnson, Whilshire, A.Young and Agbonlahor provide the attackng prowess, question is why some of these did not go to SA? Jose Baxter is coming through the ranks over here at the toffees , I'd keep your eyes on this one.
Posted 22:00 10th July 2010