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Were England's players good enough? Do we need to look to a younger breed? The panel have their say...Back to story
I wouldn't be too bothered if we failed to reach the euro 2012 tournament, as long as we played all the youngsters together for the next 4 years, leading up to Brazil 2014. If that was done, the players would have played together, against all levels of competitiors for an entire 4 years, and would be a force in 4 years time, all maturing together as a national side. GK-Joe Hart, Defence-G.Johnson G.Cahill R.Shawcross L Baines. Midfield-Aaron Lennon J.Rodwell J.Wilshere A.Johnson T.Walcott. Forward-W.Rooney. With subs such as Blackburns P.Jones, A.Young, M.Richards, J.Milner, G.Agbonlahor, D.Sturridge, Its a great squad to gain experience together. Probably still qualifying for Euro 2012!
Posted 18:24 10th July 2010
The answer to this question is easy; yes, England has talent - there I said it and I'm Scottish - you should know how hard that was...the real question is: if you were coaching one of your major rivals, i.e. Italy, Germany, France, would you really want them to win it or would you quietly pick a losing squad? Upson on an almost relegated team - they sacked their manager - Carrager - you must be joking - I like SWP, but it's obvious that Johnson should have gotten the nod. Where were Jagielka, Dawson, Bent? - these players are excellent and you put on Heskey to sell the jerseys. I don't know what the debate is; get an English manager and surely you'll do better next time. Although if it were up to me, I'd sign Fabio Capello for the rest of his life - to manage England, never Scotland.
Posted 16:03 10th July 2010
So we have all the hype before the World Cup and yet again our players let us down. Every week the media including sky rave on about how brilliant our players are but frankly Terry, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc were so inept. Was it passion? Was it ability? Was it and I dont really care Ive got my mega club contract so i'm not that bothered? Or do we take the soft option and just blame the manager? I dont really care which of these it was, its time to dump at least half the current team as they just havent done it over several tournamentsand build for the future - with players who will play as a team and not a bunch of individuals that the media decide to drool over. In addition players need to learn that failure over several tournaments is not acceptable to a nation so keen for success. This may increase the so called fear factor but if you cant play under pressure you'll never win anything anyway. Our club system doesnt help. With the money pumped into the Champions League some teams have a ridiculous advantage making the Premiership so predictable and frankly boring. Shall we guess who will finish in the top 4 or 5 and struggle at the bottom.......As a result our top players dont have to play to there potential to beat the opposition if they play for the cosy Champions League clubs. Finally please lets realise that we do not need to pay a manager a fortune to play a dozen competative games over 2 years and if we qualify a four week tournament. Instead, appoint a couple of respected Premiership managers to oversee the national team - currently Redknapp and Hodgson would be outstanding candidates.
Posted 14:52 10th July 2010
Its not all Doom and gloom, there is some young talent around and some players we've forgotten about too. Heres my cheer you up list. Young,Davies,Delph,STEWART DOWNING, GABBY AGBONLAHOR,Delfouneso(not sure on the spelling!),Wilshere,Gibbs,Walcott,BEN FOSTER,PAUL ROBINSON,P.Jones,DAVID DUNN, KEVIN DAVIES,GARY CAHILL,Muamba,Taylor,Sturridge, Turnbull,Hutchinson,Sinclair, Mancienne,Rodwell,Baxter,LEIGHTON BAINES,Beckford,ZAMORA,ADAM JOHNSON,MICAH RICHARDS,M.Johnson,Onuoha,Gosling,OWEN HARGREAVES,Wellbeck,Smalling,S.Taylor,KEVIN NOLAN,ALAN SMITH,JOEY BARTON,Carroll,KEIRON RICHARDSON,LEE CATTERMOLE,RYAN SHAWCROSS,Rose,DAVID BENTLEY,JERMAINE JENAS,TOM HUDDLESTONE,JONATHAN WOODGATE,Alnwick,SCOTT PARKER,CARLTON COLE,Noble,Nouble,Tomkins,Hines,Stanislas,KIRKLAND, Moses,Kightly,Henry,Mattock,G.Barnes,R.Reid,SCOTT CARSON,Wheater
Posted 14:02 10th July 2010
I think we should all accept the fact that we don't produce technically gifted players. This has been the case for decades. The 1966, 1970 and 1990 sides I would consider to be the best England have ever produced. The problem lies in the way youngters get started in football in this country compared to other parts of the world. Here we prefer players with physical presence, strength, stamina and speed. Would Messi have come up through the ranks if he were English? He's only 5ft 7in. We make kids play in full size pitches. We teach them to get rid of the ball, hoof it up, lob it in the box. They are not allowed to express themselves. You can go to any country in Europe, South America, Africa and even USA and you'll see kids being taught ball controll and passing. They play on smaller pitches with fewer players. Physical training, positioning and tactics will only be coached when they get older. Football is supposed to be fun when you are a child! We don't give our kids enough time to learn how to control the ball. The problem has always been at the grassroots level. Its become worse in recent years because a number schools around the country don't have any form of sport or they have inclusive non competitve sports that don't involve football. We need to seriously look at the way our schools and youth academies teach/coach football. Glenn Hoddle has had to open his Football Academy in Spain because of the lack of facilities in this country! Our players lack ball control, positional awareness, ball retention and passing accuracy. Do we have any young players that are comparable to: Lionel Messi, Mesut Oezil, Luis Suarez, Thomas Mueller and Angel Di Maria to name a few? Probably not. The future looks bleak if things are not changed!
Posted 13:10 10th July 2010
Andy Carroll is already better than Heskey...
Posted 12:50 10th July 2010
you are all ridiculous england could easily win the euros if they play this team hart, a cole, terry, king, richards, young, gerrard, hargreves, lennon, rooney, crouch
Posted 12:07 10th July 2010
I havent really got much to say on what england are gona do in the future to start competing for world cups and european championships, i was one of many people who believed this group of players would have at least reached the semis. But alas it wasnt meant to be and i personally havent got a clue where it all went wrong.... What i did want to say, and please believe me i say that it pains me to do so....but didnt Ashley Cole play ok? I thouhght so....maybe he didnt make the attacking runs down the left that he would normally do...i think the system we were playing put pay to that...but he was solid, committed....wasnt he?
Posted 09:43 10th July 2010
i think players like wilshere, mancienne and richards are englands future but they need to be playing regularly. as far as striking options i cant believe andy carroll hasnt been mentioned. i would say he is better in the air then both crouch and heskey and can hold the ball up better then both of them too. he could be the 1 to link up with rooney and bring him into the game
Posted 05:29 10th July 2010
We do have top quality players like Gerrard,Terry, Lampard, Ferdinand, Rooney, Ashley Cole,. They all play champions league with and against great players, if they are not good , they would not play or fit in the team. Only problem, we dont have other top players in other position, first a goalkeeper, right back, right midfield, holding midfield, left midfield, another striker. Another thing we dont have a playmaker like Gazza, Scholes and thats the problem. Lampard is a tired player, he plays almost every game for Chelsea, he is not that mobile, he should be rested and come as sub. Since he came to the England team, we are not doing well, he pushed Scholes out of position and he retired and now pushed Gerrard on the left. I think only Barry and Joe Cole can do the playmaker role and cant see any other.
Posted 03:53 10th July 2010
2014 line up (without anyother youngsters who might come out of no where before the next World Cup) GK Hart, LB Baines CB Shawcross CB Chris Smalling RB Dan Gosling LM Arron Lennon CM Milner CM Cattermole RM Wilishire FW Agbonlahor FW Rooney Possible plaers on the BENCH: Carrol, Delfouneso, Sturridge, Moses, Johnson, Rodwell, Cork, Delph, Young, Gibbs, Richards, Tomkins, Jones(Blackburn) ,Naughton, Loach ( Moult for Stoke City could be a player to watch out for in a a season or two hopefully)
Posted 02:51 10th July 2010
Has everyone forgot about Ryan Shawcross! he should of gone this World Cup, cause hes such a gd player but cause he had a bad last few months(ramsey tackle) he didnt go :S better than Upson, King and Dawson!
Posted 02:30 10th July 2010
Listen up guys, im going to keep it realistic. OK so England are a good team, excellent players, but a good TEAM. When you look at other international teams, they all have the togetherness that England lacks. Another case is that England are caught in its image of 1966, that was over 40 years now, football has developed and so has other international teams. The Premier League may be the most entertaining league in the world but most entertaining may not be the best. England do have good players but the media are saying they are the best players in the world where they are no where near I am sorry to say. If you look at Wayne Rooney for example, ok so what if he broke into the scene when he was 16, and so what if he scored 30 odd goals last season, it was only last season he showed he can score goals all season, lets see if he can do the same next season. Then when you compare him to David Villa, Diego Forlan, Messi, Sneidjer, you see that they like Rooney are all the key player for club and country but they also preform on the international stage where Rooney does not. David Villa and Diego Forlan has been scoring near enough 30 goals a season for the last 3/4 seasons, Messi has proved himself by his breathtaking form for the last 3 seasons, and Sneidjer has proved he is world class in the Inter Milan's treble winning season and now he is looking forward to a world cup final almost single handedly. What im trying to say is that the England players are not as good as everybody thinks. Just compare them to other players from around the world.
Posted 19:33 9th July 2010
England team with potential for 2012 Hart, Johnson, smalling, guy from blackburn, naughton from spurs, kyle from spurs, micah richards, onouha, gibbs from arsenal, Milner, ashley young, adam johnson, henderson, delfounso, rodwell, cleverley from united. You also have huddlestone, dawson, lennon, wilshire, walcott. Its about england dumped the ego's and took a leaf out of germany's books, give the youngsters a chance. Lets be honest, the performances can get much more embarrassing and the current crop wont last forever. We should be looking at the next world cup, with the euro's a stepping stone to that. England have to decide a way of playing, either play british and use the wings and attack using pace and quick ball, or adapt to europe and get technical small sided football games in bedded to get comfortable with a football. best example to any national team in the world is barcelona, they have approx 8 or 9 of the first choice squad are spanish. Plus they give their young spanish players a chance, bojan and pedro to name just two. why else would the likes of pique and fabregas be so desperate to go back there. Either way i think england need to cut their loses with some of the current squad and look to the future. My only question is.... do the FA have the balls to give a manager that much time!!??
Posted 18:17 9th July 2010
First of all you need an English manager, playing for your country requires a certain team spirit which I just don't think a foreign coach can bring without being a traitor to his own nation. :) Second, you need to look at all the players in the PL and not just those that play for the top teams. In friendlies play young kids, it will them develop and you may discover talent. Last, don't be afraid of the media......
Posted 16:36 9th July 2010
The one thing no-one seems to have mentioned is the fact that our media whenever a promising younster comes on the scene quickly give them the tag of "world class". This country has not produced a world class footballer in the last 25 years and I include Rooney,Gerrard,Beckham and the other average footballers who are english in this category. I have supported Chelsea for more than 50 years and with the exception of Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton, Martin Peters and Geoff Hurst I cannot recall another english player who could be called world class in all that time. I cannot understand why Capello insisted on leaving Scott Parker and Adam Johnson out of the England squad and selecting Heskey (donkey) and Barry (unfit) instead.
Posted 16:15 9th July 2010
A lot of people are saying the obvious names coming through, for example adam johnson, chris smalling . . . . but i think every single person has missed out the possible best defender in the world coming through in this country, phil jones for blackburn, 19 years of age, is an absolute top class player from what ive seen! Nathan Delphoneuso is going to be a top top striker, one last player i dont think people have mentioned is jordan henderson from sunderland, he looks a proper player, all three pacey which we all know is important these days!
Posted 15:35 9th July 2010
There's two games of football going on - one when you have the ball and the other, a much more difficult game, when you haven't got the football. Far too much emphasis is put on the former and when players like Gerrard, Lampard, Barry and co have to go and get it back - they simply can't do it well enough. During the early games of the World Cup I felt the pitches were like postage stamps because the energy offered by those teams that were superfit nade it seem that way. Players were offered very little time on the ball before they were closed down - but when England took to the field, it was as if we were watching a different game. The Americans, and moreso in the game against the Algerians it seemed as if they had acres of space. Lessons have to be learnt as to how supposedly inferior teams like Mexico and Ghana go home with a lot of credit but because of our naivety without the football and being able to close it down to win back possession our midfield has to be completely rehashed. But that job belongs to Postman Pat - our Manager.
Posted 13:49 9th July 2010
Has England got talent? yes of course! The problem is partially two fold, the selection of players by star figures and sentiments, I cannot understand why Capello did not pick the likes of Adam Johnson, Darren Bent, Scott Parker who had wonderful seasons with their clubs and no disrespect the likes of Heskey, Joe Cole, Upson got the go ahead. Secondly the immense pressure from the media does not help, please give the players a break!
Posted 10:14 9th July 2010
England has got the players that are good enough. However not all of them went to the world cup. Cappello got something seriously wrong, either the players he chose, the coaching staff he used or the attitude opf his regime. I have had the privelidge of seeing Germany, Holland, Brazil, Argentina, Uraguay and working with the Japanese team this world cup. The difference was that the teams were all smiles and happy, England were not. England were not fit, they looked sluggish and had no energy, either they were over trained, under trained or mentally fatguied. It is time that the England stars were chosen on merit not name. Gerrard was the main problem for England. He did not hold his position. This stopped Cole from getting forwards, it also stopped the midfield and to some degree Rooney because they were having to cover for him. I am shocked that all the so called experts have not had the where with all to stand up and say this, or do they even see it.
Posted 08:21 9th July 2010