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Martin Tyler's stats and facts column is here!

Every week he will be here to offer you statistical gems to make your day, impress your mates and, on occasion, to settle the odd bet.

Sky Sports' voice of football and his back-up team of experts are here to answer your questions and queries on all things statistical and historical from the beautiful game.

Fletcher: how will he do against Chelsea?

Fletcher: how will he do against Chelsea?

If you have spotted something from a game or have been stumped by a pub quiz question, simply email here and he will do his best to help.

Tyler's starting stat - City blankers

I was at St Andrews on Sunday to see Manchester City's first goalless draw in 55 matches, their previous one coming at Bolton in March 2008. It was also only the fourth 0-0 draw of the Premier League season in the 106 games played. It was also only the second time in 20 matches in all competitions that City have failed to score, the last occasion being their 2-0 defeat at Manchester United last season.

City's visit to Birmingham saw them become the final Premier League team to be involved in a match with a penalty this season. Following Nigel de Jong's handball, every team has either been awarded or conceded a penalty - more on that later. It was also City's first draw at Birmingham since March 1985 and means the wait for City's 150th Premier League win goes on after four draws in a row. Finally Birmingham are yet to score a goal before the 37th minute this season - Liam Ridgewell's effort against Sunderland remains their earliest of the season so far.

HAVING AN OFF DAY
Martin. What a crazy weekend. When was the last time there were nine red cards in a Premier League weekend? John Thorsby.

MARTIN SAYS: The eight red cards - dished out to Philipp Degen, Jamie Carragher, Diniyar Bilyaletdinov, Carlos Cuellar, Kenwyne Jones, Radoslav Kovac, Geovanni and Jlloyd Samuel on Saturday - are a record. Never before have eight players been sent off on the same day in the Premier League.

However, Barry Ferguson's Super Sunday red card took the total to nine for the weekend, which is a 10-year high. The last time it happened was across the weekend of September 25-27 1999, Matchday 9 of that particular Premier League season. The nine men to see red over the course of that Matchday were: John Moncur (West Ham), Esteban Fuertes (Derby), Andrew Myers (Bradford), Gareth Southgate (Aston Villa), Paul Gascoigne (Middlesbrough), John Hartson (Wimbledon), Sander Westerveld (Liverpool), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool) and Francis Jeffers (Everton). Thanks to our friends at Opta for those names.

CHELSEA'S FOUR BY FOURS
Dear Martin. Chelsea have now scored four goals (or more) in their last four games. Has this happened before in recent years? Are we on for some sort of record this season? Kate Anderson.

MARTIN SAYS: Those wins over Atletico Madrid, Blackburn and Bolton (twice) are indeed something of a milestone. During the Premier League era, this is the first time that Chelsea have scored four goals or more in four consecutive matches. On two occasions they have managed it in three consecutive matches: in October 2005, they beat Liverpool 4-1, Bolton 5-1 and Real Betis 4-0. In March 2002, they beat Spurs 4-0 in the FA Cup, then repeated the scoreline against the same side in the Premier League and then beat Sunderland 4-0. So Bolton aren't the only team to have lost 4-0 to Chelsea twice in less than a week!

Last season Chelsea hit four or more goals on six occasions, but their record highs came in the 2003/04 season when they managed it nine times in one campaign (Tottenham, Wolves [twice], Notts County, Lazio, Newcastle, Leicester, Watford, Southampton were on the receiving end). They repeated that feat the following season with four-goal hauls against Blackburn, West Brom, Fulham, Charlton, Newcastle, Norwich, Barcelona, Crystal Palace and Bayern Munich.

However, this season's tally is already better than what they achieved in 1992/93 and 1994/95 when they only scored four or more on two separate occasions.

Even though Chelsea's run ended when they only managed two in Madrid on Tuesday, they continue to have scored in all 18 competitive games they have played under Carlo Ancelotti.

THE FLETCH FACTOR
Hello Martin, I have a bet with my friend regarding Man Utd's big game record when Darren Fletcher is in the team. It seems to me that when he is playing, he seems to have a positive impact on the outcome against the other big three, whilst my friend believes it is irrelevant. Could you shed some light on this matter? Thank you, Fred Goodyear (Manchester United fan)

MARTIN SAYS: Looking at the stats, it would appear your friend is right. In the tables below I have outlined United's games against their big three rivals in all competitions since the start of the 2003/04 season when Fletcher starting playing regularly. Overall, United have a slightly better record when he's not in the team - but it is very close.

This is one occasion where I don't believe the stats don't do justice to the player. Sir Alex Ferguson referred to him as a "big-game" player this week and in their last two major away games - the Champions League final in Rome and the Premier League match at Anfield - United lost twice. What was the common denominator? Fletcher was missing. That's why Sir Alex was so keen to get him into the side against CSKA Moscow this week.

Manchester United's record since 2003/04

v Arsenal

PWDLFAWin %
Without Fletcher952212856%
With Fletcher1263317950%

v Chelsea

PWDLFAWin %
Without Fletcher62044833%
With Fletcher12354121225%

v Liverpool

PWDLFAWin %
Without Fletcher74039957%
With Fletcher74126357%

v rest of Big Four

PWDLFAWin %
Without Fletcher221129252550%
With Fletcher311399352442%

NOT ON THE SPOT
Dear Martin. Fantastic column and absolutely love your commentary. Has this season seen a rise in the number of spot kicks given to the teams in the Premier League compared to this stage last year? I'm wondering because despite the fact that my team Arsenal haven't been given a penalty in the league this season, the only penalty that we have been awarded was the one that should not have been given [against Celtic]. Which brings me to my main question. Which team has gone the longest in the league without being awarded a penalty? (If the question was about a "legitimate" penalty, I'm guessing it to be Manchester United!) Thanks a lot Martin! Ganesh Viswanathan, Mumbai, India.

MARTIN SAYS: There has not been a rise in penalties this season, in fact there have been a very similar number awarded. After 11 Matchdays last season, 30 penalties had been awarded - while only 29 have been awarded so far this term.

Your other questions makes for quite interesting reading though, Ganesh and the boffins at Opta have produced some fascinating stats. As you say, Arsenal have not been awarded a penalty in their 10 games this season - but did get one in their final game of last season against Stoke City.

Only two other teams have not been awarded a penalty in the league this season. The first is Manchester City, who have now gone 13 games since their last league penalty. However, that is nothing compared to Hull City who have played 33 Premier League games since they were last awarded a spot kick. Their last penalty came on December 2008 in the 85th minute against Middlesbrough and was converted by Marlon King to secure a 2-1 win. However, Phil Brown is still awaiting his side's first penalty of 2009.

TeamGames since last penalty
Portsmouth0
Hull City33
Manchester City13
Arsenal10
Liverpool10
Everton7
Manchester United7
Aston Villa5
Bolton Wanderers5
Blackburn Rovers4
Sunderland4
Tottenham Hotspur4
Wigan Athletic4
Fulham3
Stoke City2
West Ham1
Wolves1
Birmingham City0
Burnley0
Chelsea0

NEIGHBOURS AT THE TOP
Dear Martin, Love the column - am an avid reader every week! My question is "When was the last time the top two in the Premier League or old First Division came from the same city? If my dad's memory serves him correctly (I'm only 15) Manchester United and City were the top two a while back with City winning on goal difference. Could you clear this up for me please? Thanks, Raphael Levy, London

MARTIN SAYS: The last time it happened was not so long ago Raphael. In 2004/05 London sides Chelsea and Arsenal finished in the top two positions in the Premier League - just as they did the previous season (in the opposite order). Given the number of London clubs, it is perhaps surprising it hadn't happened before then.

In fact, the top two have only ever come from the same city on six occasions. The Liverpool clubs did it three times in the 1980's and the Manchester clubs did it in the 1967/68 season - when City won the league by two points from their city rivals.

Top two from the same city:

2004/05: Chelsea and Arsenal
2003/04: Arsenal and Chelsea
1986/87: Everton and Liverpool
1985/86: Liverpool and Everton
1984/85: Everton and Liverpool
1967/68: Manchester City and Manchester United

GOAL-DEN OLDIES
Martin, I saw Graham Alexander score a brace today (Saturday) against Hull, as far as I know he turned 38 last month (October). Is he the oldest player to ever score two goals in a Premier League match? I'm sure Teddy Sheringham and a few others have scored goals in the League past their 38th birthday but two or more, not sure there's that many if any at all! Thanks, Conor, Cork, Ireland.

MARTIN SAYS: It does appear that Graham Alexander is the highest brace-scorer in Premier League history. His strikes against Hull at the weekend made him the sixth oldest scorer in Premier League history - but nobody older has ever scored two in one Premier League game. He only made his Premier League debut this season and has wasted little time in setting a record.

As you can see below, the oldest scorer in Premier League history is Teddy Sheringham who netted for West Ham after his 40th birthday. He is also the oldest scorer of a Premier League hat-trick, having netted three for Portsmouth in 2006 at the age of 37.

The oldest goascorers in Premier League history:

PlayerForAgainstDateAge
John WarkIpswichBlackburn28/01/199537yrs, 177 days
Teddy SheringhamWest Ham Portsmouth26/12/2006 40yrs, 268 days
Stuart PearceWest Ham Southampton25/11/200038yrs, 215 days
Mark HughesBlackburn Leicester30/03/2002 38yrs, 149 days
TugayBlackburn Portsmouth30/11/200838yrs, 98 days
Mick HarfordWimbledonWest Ham18/03/199738yrs, 34 days
Graham AlexanderBurnleyHull31/10/2009 38yrs, 21 days
Gary SpeedBoltonReading25/08/200737yrs, 351 days
Peter SchmeichelAston VillaEverton20/10/200137yrs, 336 days
Les FerdinandBoltonMan Utd11/09/200437yrs, 268 days

Tyler's Teaser

Last week we asked you to name all the players who have played at least one Premier League game for both Arsenal and West Ham.

The answers are: John Hartson, Davor Suker, Nigel Winterburn, Matthew Upson, Ian Wright, Luis Boa Morte, Fredrik Ljungberg, Jeremie Aliadiere and Kaba Diawara.

A few people suggested Omer Riza and Rami Shaaban, but they did not play in the league for both clubs.

Click on the video for this week's teaser and send in your answers using the feedback form below. Remember, you are looking for nine players who have played in the Premier League THIS season - and they share a surname with a CURRENT Premier League boss.

Comments (119)

Tony Flannagan (Manchester City fan) says...

Martin could you tell me this one please ?.3 Scots scored for Burnley v Man.City recently.When was the last time 3 scored in a prem,or old div. 1 match ?.Thanks.

Posted 11:58 9th November 2009

Simon Amstel (Chelsea fan) says...

Hi Martin, love the column keep up the good work!due to Sundays match me and some frends were arguing the other day about who has the best attacking partnership in the League. Being a Chelsea fan I would say Drogba and Anelka are probably the most potent attacking partnership but one of my friends insisted that Rooney and Berbatov are way ahead! I can't agree as I dont think Rooneys fantastic work ethic is quite enough to compensate for Berbatovs lack of it. Could you help us clear this up by thelling us what the stats say? Simon Amstel

Posted 15:55 8th November 2009

Vernon Gomez (Manchester United fan) says...

The Players are: Joe Hart, Christian Benitez, Barry Ferguson(BIR) ,Aaron Hughes(FUL), Richard Hughes(POR), Benni McCarthy(BLA), James McCarthy(WIG), Jason Brown(BLA), Wes Brown(MAN.U), Michael Brown(POR)

Posted 07:06 8th November 2009

Kumbar Rizvi (Liverpool fan) says...

christian benitez , barry ferguson, aaron hughes, scott brown, gary o neill

Posted 04:55 7th November 2009

Colin Mehigan (Arsenal fan) says...

great question this week, but i think ive got 10?? joe hart (birmingham), chucho benitez (birmingham), barry ferguson (birmingham) wes brown (man utd) michael brown (portsmouth) jason brown (blackburn) aaron hughes (fulham) richard hughes (portsmouth) benni mccarthy (blackburn) james mccarthy (wigan). hope you could settle this question for me martin, cheers!

Posted 20:42 6th November 2009

Peter R (Fulham fan) says...

A easy one this week! The answers are: Barry Ferguson (Bir), Christian Benitez (Bir), Aaron Hughes (Ful), Richard Hughes (Ports), Benni McCarthy (Blk), Joe Hart (Bir), Michel Brown (Ports), Jason Brown (Blk) and finally Wes Brown (ManU.)

Posted 19:40 6th November 2009

Nathan Jennens (Stoke City fan) says...

got a few on the trivia. michael brown, wes brown, jason brown, match with phil brown richard hughes and bryan hughes match with mark hughes barry ferguson matches with sir alex joe hart with paul hart benni mccarthy and james mccarthy with mick mccarthy think thats 9 then

Posted 19:04 6th November 2009

Theo Kennedy (Coventry City fan) says...

Hi Martin i think the answers are - Joe HART - Paul HART, Barry FERGUSON - Alex FERGUSON, Christian BENITEZ - Rafa BENITEZ, Wes BROWN - Phil BROWN, Michael BROWN - Phil BROWN, Aaron HUGHES - Mark HUGHES, Richard HUGHES - Mark HUGHES, Benni MCCARTHY - Mick MCCARTHY, James MCCARTHY - Mick MCCARTHY

Posted 18:38 6th November 2009

Alan Hiscutt (Tottenham Hotspur fan) says...

Neil, there have been a few 'big' comebacks. in 1952, Yugoslavia were 5-1 at half time against USSR, it was 5-2 with 13 minutes left, the final score was 5-5! However, that can be topped: One of the most impressive is from a Huddersfield V Charlton game in 1957. With half an hour to go Charlton were losing 5-1 and were down to ten men. They pulled it around to lead 6-5 before Huddersfield equalised and then Charlton scored with the last kick of the game to win 7-6. There have been some real comebacks in 2 legged games, Milan winning 4-1 at home then loosing 5-1 in the second leg was quite amazing.

Posted 12:48 6th November 2009

Alan Hiscutt (Tottenham Hotspur fan) says...

okay martyn, here goes: The teams in brackets are players club first followed by manager. Benitez (birmingham and Liverpool) Ferguson (Birmingham and Man Utd) Hart (Birmingham and Portsmouth) Brown (Man utd and Hull) Brown (Portsnouth and Hull) Hughes (Fulham and Man City) Hughes (Portsmouth and Man City) McCarthy (Wigan and Wolves) McCarthy (Blackburn and Wolves) James McCarthy of Wigan may bot be right, but im sure I Heard his name on the tele a few weeks back. Took a while to find where he plays his football but thats 9 martyn!

Posted 12:40 6th November 2009

Errol Carelse (Liverpool fan) says...

Hi Martin just to let you know I enjoy whatching a game when you are the commentator. who has the most succesful tackles in 2009 and where does Lucas rank?

Posted 11:24 6th November 2009

Mark Quinn (Liverpool fan) says...

trivia answer: Joe Hart, Barry Ferguson,Christian Benitez, Benni McCarthy, Aaron Hughes, Richard Hughes, James McCarthy, Michael Brown, Wes Brown

Posted 10:12 6th November 2009

Rhett Morris (Bolton Wanderers fan) says...

Nine players whose Surnames are those of Current Premier League managers are Joe Hart Christian Benitez Barry Ferguson Aaron Hughes Jason Brown Wes Brown Michael Brown James McCarthy Benni McCarthy

Posted 09:55 6th November 2009

Jimmy Walsh (Manchester United fan) says...

Bochum - Bayern 5-6 (1976) The craziest game the Bundesliga has ever seen. Bochum were 3-0 up by the half-time whistle and 4-0 in 53th minute. In the next 20 minutes, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge and Gerd Muller took Bayern to an unbelievable 5-4 lead. Kaczor put Bochum level on 5-5 in the 80th minute and that seemed to be it, but with a minute to go Uli Höness scored his second and Bayern's sixth for their most amazing win ever.

Posted 04:29 6th November 2009

Marco G (Manchester City fan) says...

right i think ive got it Christian Benitez Michael Brown Wes Brown Barry Ferguson Joe Hart Aaron Hughes Richard Hughes Benny McCarthy James McCarthy

Posted 03:47 6th November 2009

Charlotte Rayner (West Ham United fan) says...

Back to Tyler's Teaser i've got eight. Barry Ferguson, Chucho Benitez, Joe Hart (Birmingham), Michael Brown, Richard Hughes (Portsmouth), Wes Brown (Man Utd), Aaron Hughes (Fulham), James McCarthy (Wigan).

Posted 02:58 6th November 2009

Liam Healey (Everton fan) says...

I think I have 10 players that meet the criteria for this weeks Players/Managers Surname question: Benni McCarthy, James McCarthy (Wigan) Barry Ferguson, Joe Hart, Jason Brown, Michael Brown, Wes Brown, Chucho Benitez, Richard Hughes, Arron Hughes

Posted 01:36 6th November 2009

Xander Den harder (Manchester United fan) says...

Hi Martin, Love the Column!!!!! My answer would be: Ferguson-Alex and Barry,Brown-Phil/Wes/Fulham?, Hughes-BLRovers/Michael/??, Hart-Paul/Joe, McCarthy-Mick/WH, O'Niell-Martin/Gary, Sorry didnt want to use the internet. I was wondering about the following aswell: Why are coaches/managers always or most of the time too cautious with the younger players like the 17,18,19 year olds? I think if they are good enough they should play them. Im obviously not talking about the Wengers and Fergusons of this world but they are counted on MAYBE two hands and then Im generous. Can you tell me which Prem team has the youngest first eleven? I think it must be Arsenal. Thanks and keep it going!! Xander, Dutchman living in Belfast

Posted 23:37 5th November 2009

Armchair Red (Liverpool fan) says...

nine players who share a surname with a CURRENT Premier League boss: cico benitez barry ferguson joe hart richard hughes benni mcarthy jason brown james mcarthy - wigan michael brown aaron hughes

Posted 23:03 5th November 2009

Derek Kelly (Manchester United fan) says...

Hi Martin, great column as always... Was just wondering if you would mind re-doing the stats for Fletcher starting from the Chelski game on 6th November 2005 (nice round 4 yr stat :) ) I believe the departure of Roy Keane and the things that came out in the papers (that may or not have been said by Keane) really made a big impact on him as a player. The answers to your Question: 1) Wes Brown, 2) Michael Brown, 3) Joe Hart , 4) Benni McCarthy, 5) James McCathy 6) Barry Ferguson, 7) Richard Hughes, 8) Aaron Hughes 9) Christian Benítez

Posted 22:30 5th November 2009

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