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Tyler's Starting Stat - A record for Rooney
I was at the Emirates Stadium on Sunday where Wayne Rooney scored his landmark 100th Premier League goal. But the strike was also notable because it took him past Cristiano Ronaldo in Manchester United's all-time goalscoring charts. Rooney now has 119 United goals in all competitions, compared to Ronaldo's 118. What's more, Rooney did it in 24 fewer games (he has played 268 compared to Ronaldo's 292). Rooney has also overtaken Ronaldo's Premier League record for the club. He now has 85 goals in 180 league games for United, overtaking the 84 scored by Ronaldo in his 196 appearances.
Looking at Rooney's Premier League century (including his 15 for Everton), I can tell you only four of Rooney's 100 goals came from penalties with a further 87 coming from inside the area and nine coming from outside. Out of interest, 80 were scored with his right foot, 15 with his left and five were headers - although as he has scored with his head in his last two games at old Trafford that is clearly an area of his game which is getting better!
Meanwhile, Manuel Almunia remarkably became the sixth player to score an own goal in favour of Manchester United in the Premier League this season - joining Abou Diaby, Anton Ferdinand, Scott Dann, Michael Dawson and Zat Knight.
ROONEY'S TRAVEL LOG
Dear Martin. I was very pleased to see Wayne Rooney score his landmark 100th goal on Sunday. Someone told me that of all the players to have scored 100 goals in the Premier League, Rooney has the best record for scoring away from home? He does seem to do well when we go away, so do you have any stats to back that up? Thanks for the info. Stuart Attewill (Manchester United fan).
MARTIN SAYS: Wayne Rooney does have an excellent record of scoring away from home. He has scored 49 of his 100 goals away from home. However, this is not the best record of the Premier League's 18 centurions. Rooney's Manchester United team-mate Ryan Giggs scored 56 of his 100 Premier League goals on the road. The only other Premier League centurion to have scored more away goals is Frank Lampard, who scored 52 of his first 100 league goals in away games.
Rooney is the ninth quickest player to 100 goals in Premier League history. He has a better away goals record than the eight men who were quicker than him. Perhaps that is the stat you heard, Stuart.
Courtesy of Opta, here are the Premier League's 18 centurions - and the breakdown of their home and away goals.
| Player | Home goals | Away goals |
| Ryan Giggs | 44 | 56 |
| Frank Lampard | 48 | 52 |
| Teddy Sheringham | 51 | 49 |
| Emile Heskey | 51 | 49 |
| Wayne Rooney | 51 | 49 |
| Dion Dublin | 53 | 47 |
| Michael Owen | 54 | 46 |
| Ian Wright | 55 | 45 |
| Andrew Cole | 56 | 44 |
| Nicolas Anelka | 56 | 44 |
| Matt Le Tissier | 56 | 44 |
| Dwight Yorke | 58 | 42 |
| Thierry Henry | 62 | 38 |
| Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink | 62 | 38 |
| Les Ferdinand | 63 | 37 |
| Robbie Keane | 63 | 37 |
| Robbie Fowler | 70 | 30 |
| Alan Shearer | 72 | 28 |
RON, BUT NOT FORGOTTEN?
Hi Martin. Love your column. Speculation about Manchester United's ability to score as many goals as Ronaldo for them over the last few years is rife. Rooney is handling those duties pretty well so far, but statistically how has Ronaldo's departure damaged, if any, United's goalscoring record? And has Rooney's form so far this season equalled Ronaldo's goal return at this same point in 2009, 2008, or 2007 (Ronaldo's most successful years)? Thank you very much. Mo Golbo, Dublin.
MARTIN SAYS: To answer your first question, Mo, United's goalscoring record this season does not appear to have been damaged by Ronaldo's departure. To date they have managed 56 goals in their first 24 Premier League games, which is significantly higher than the same stage in the previous three seasons.
Goals scored by Manchester United in first 24 Premier League games:
2009/10: 56 goals
2008/09: 41 goals
2007/08: 48 goals
2006/07: 53 goals
As for the comparison between Rooney and Ronaldo, the Englishman has managed 20 goals in the 23 Premier League games he has played this season. That's an impressive average of 0.87 goals per game - and it is better than Ronaldo's record at the same point last year. Remarkably, Ronaldo had a better record at the same stage in 2007/08 with 21 goals - one more than Rooney has this term. That season, the Portuguese international went on to score 31 league goals.
Ronaldo's record after 23 Premier League games:
2008/09: 12 goals
2007/08: 21 goals
2006/07: 14 goals
YOUNG GUNS... REALLY ?
Hi Martin. Have been following your commentary a lot. I happen to be in Malcolm Glazer's "growing up" town Rochester, NY and am a United fan, fortunately there is no Glazer hatred here!! I had a question regarding Arsenal's youngsters. I keep hearing they are a young team. However, I checked the ages of the starting line-up of United and Arsenal and didn't find a difference of more than 1.2 yrs. If you take off the goalkeepers of the list, it's less than 1 year. Also United had the youngest player on the pitch today. Could you confirm this? Thanks, Gaurav Joshi
MARTIN SAYS: We've done the maths Gaurav and we don't quite come up with the same numbers. The ages of Sunday's teams were as follows:
Arsenal: Almunia (32), Vermaelen (24) Clichy (24), Sagna (26), Gallas (32), Arshavin (28), Fabregas (22), Song (22), Denilson (21), Nasri (22), Rosicky (29)
Used subs: Eboue (26), Walcott (20), Bendtner (22)
Subs not used: Silvestre (32), Traore (20), Fabianski (24), Ramsey (19).
Average age of Arsenal's starting XI: 25.64
Average age of Arsenal's starting outfield players: 25
Average age of Arsenal's matchday squad: 24.72
Man Utd: Van der Sar (39), Evra (28), Brown (30), Evans (22), Rafael Da Silva (19), Park (28), Fletcher (26), Carrick (28), Scholes (35), Nani (23), Rooney (24)
Used subs: Valencia (24), Giggs (36), Berbatov (29)
Subs not used: Kuszczak (27), Owen (30), Gibson (22), de Laet (21)
Average age of Man Utd's starting XI: 27.45
Average age of Man Utd's starting outfield players: 26.30
Average age of Man Utd's matchday squad: 27.28
On average, Arsenal's team was 1.81 years younger than United's and the outfield players were 1.3 years younger. When substitutes are taken into account, Arsenal's squad was around 2.5 years younger than United's. However, you are right to suggest United had the youngest player on the pitch in 19-year-old Rafael Da Silva, but the youngest player involved on the day was Arsenal's unused substitute Aaron Ramsey who is just over five months younger than Rafael.
As an interesting point of comparison, the average age of Chelsea's starting XI against Hull City on Tuesday night was 29.45 - more than three years older than Arsenal's.
THE FALL GUYS
Hi Martin. It seems Portsmouth are heading to the Championship and I've heard if this happens Herman Hreidarsson will have the unwanted title of the 'most relegated player' from the Premier League. Could you please give a list of the players who have been relegated from the Premier League the most. Jonny Beesley
MARTIN SAYS: Herman Hreidarsson has already suffered Premier League relegation on four occasions - with Crystal Palace (1997/1998), Wimbledon (1999/00), Ipswich Town (2001/02) and Charlton Athletic (2006/07). One more relegation would equal the record for the most relegations in Premier League history.
That record is currently held by Nathan Blake who has been relegated five times. He went down with Sheffield United (1993/94), Bolton Wanderers (1995/96 and 1997/98), Blackburn Rovers (1998/99) and Wolves (2003/04). However, should Hreidarsson be relegated from the Premier League with Portsmouth he would become the first player to do so with five different clubs.
Nigel Quashie narrowly avoided that accolade in 2006/07 when his West Ham side avoided the drop by the skin of their teeth. Previously he had been relegated from the Premier League with four clubs: QPR (1995/96); Nottingham Forest (1998/99); Southampton (2004/05) and West Brom (2005/06).
Along with Hreidarsson, Blake and Quashie, the only player we are aware of to have been relegated from the Premier League on four occasions is Ashley Ward with Norwich City (1994/95); Barnsley (1997/98); Blackburn Rovers (1998/99) and Bradford City (2000/01).
Those players still have some way to go to match the record of former West Brom defender Simeon Hodson, who was relegated on SIX occasions and has been relegated from the top five levels of the English football league system with five different clubs.
Five of them came before he was 26. His relegations were: Notts County (1983-84); Lincoln City (1985-86 and 1986-87); West Brom (1990-91); Mansfield (1992-93) and Altrincham (1999-2000). It was almost seven relegations but he left Newport County in 1987-88 two months before they were relegated to the Conference. Sorry to bring that up Simeon!
LONG TIME AT THE TOP
Dear Martin, I was saying to my mate the other day that teams such as Nottingham Forest, Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday are true top-flight clubs and that it would be nice to see them back up there in the near future, but when I thought about it I had no real basis for that assumption. Could you tell me which teams would be in the top division next year if it was made up of the teams who have spent the most seasons in the top-flight? Thanks, Brendan
MARTIN SAYS: I have outlined the 20 clubs who have spent the longest time in the top flight below. The tables includes the preceding legal entities of modern clubs (such as Newton Heath for Manchester United and Woolwich Arsenal and Royal Arsenal) and includes this season's Premier League clubs.
As you can see, Everton have, by a distance, played the most seasons in the top flight of English football. They are the only club to have played more than 100 seasons in the top division, but Aston Villa will presumably join them next season.
Of the clubs you mention, Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest both feature in the top 20, but Leeds United (50 top flight seasons) miss out. Other teams who have narrowly missed the cut include Stoke City (54 seasons), West Ham (53) and Burnley (52).
Teams who have played the most seasons in the English top flight:
Everton (107)
Aston Villa (99)
Liverpool (95)
Arsenal (93)
Man Utd (85)
Man City (81)
Newcastle (79)
Sunderland (79)
Tottenham (75)
Chelsea (75)
West Brom (72)
Bolton (71)
Blackburn (70)
Sheff Wed (66)
Derby (65)
Wolves (61)
Sheff Utd (60)
Middlesbrough (60)
Birmingham (56)
Nottingham Forest (56)
HUNDRED FOR KEEPS
The next time Petr Cech avoids conceding he will keep his 100th Premier League clean sheet. Is this a record and if not who holds it? I assume Pepe Reina must be up there. Cain Bradley (Chelsea fan)
MARTIN SAYS: According to our friends at Opta, Petr Cech is currently on 96 clean sheets. Perhaps the difference lies in the fact that clean sheets are only counted if a goalkeeper plays a whole match.
The Chelsea goalkeeper is currently 10th on the list of Premier League clean sheets. The record is held by David James who has kept the opposition out on 170 occasions. Eight goalkeepers have kept clean sheets on more than 100 occasions - but Stoke's Thomas Sorensen just needs one more shutout to join that particular group. Reina is actually behind Cech. According to Opta he has 87 Premier League clean sheets to his name.
Goalkeepers with the most Premier League clean sheets:
1. David James (170)
2. David Seaman (140)
3. Nigel Martyn (137)
4. Peter Schmeichel (128)
5. Mark Schwarzer (114)
6. Edwin Van der Sar (111)
7. Brad Friedel (106)
8. Shay Given (103)
9. Thomas Sorensen (99)
10. Petr Cech (96)
Tyler's teaser
Hit the video for this week's tricky teaser. Send in your answers to Martin's question using the feedback form below - and don't forget to keep your own questions coming in...
Comments (135)
Mark Ackers (Southend United fan) says...
Hi Martin, I was hoping you could settle an office dispute we have going on... The question our boss has set is ¿Hypothetically how many times in one season can two Barclays¿ Premiership football teams potentially play each other¿ and pre-season friendly¿s don¿t count. Maybe you could set that as a question for other readers as well? Our boss has said the answer is 12 and wont tell us why until we can give him a list of the matches.... problem is in the office we can only think of 10 possibly 11. 1 x charity shield 2 x Premiership 2x Carling Cup (semi final) 2 x FA Cup ¿ that¿s any round + a replay 2 x Champions League (final 8, 2 legs onwards) 1 x Super Cup That¿s 10 games, to get 11 (we admit this is desperate) we have guessed that should 2 teams say United and Chelsea finish with an equal amount of points, goals scored & conceded and drawn both games with each other then there would need to be a ¿Premiership Play off¿ to decide the league (I would love to see this). Now i don¿t know if this ¿play off¿ would be used should that scenario ever occur but if it did, and the game was a draw would you get a replay which indeed would make 12 games... don¿t get me wrong, we all know that is a desperate way to get to 12 games but its the only thing we can think of, especially since the inter toto cup is no more. Please help Martin! Thanks Mark!
Posted 16:36 11th February 2010
Alfred Mudyirwa (Manchester United fan) says...
Rooney is the man, his ability to cause havoc when ever he gets in the 18 area box makes him the legend! Ask Arsenal
Posted 15:51 11th February 2010
Richard Adams (Burnley fan) says...
I totally agree with you Sean Mcdaid, I was reading through wondering when that important information would be slipped in, 'shockingly' enough it was omitted. I'd also be interested to see how many assists are attributed to both players as this aspect of a goal, in my opinion, is seriously undervalued. I don't mean to diminish Rooney's impact on United's 09/10 season but claiming a midfielder is poor because he has scored less goals than a striker is only a stones throw away from saying a defender is utter trash because he has never put the ball in the back of the net.
Posted 15:19 11th February 2010
Thomas Baldwin (Manchester United fan) says...
The answer to the teaser is Mark Hughes, Roberto Di Matteo, Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard, Cristian Ronaldo, Didier Drogba and most recently Louis Saha.
Posted 14:59 11th February 2010
Chris Law (Manchester United fan) says...
I cant believe we are even discussing who is the better player, what can rooney do better than ronaldo?....chase back after people! thats it, also ronaldo has performed on the biggest stage in the biggest games i.e the champions league final, rooney was knowhere to be seen on both occasions! If rooney wasnt english we would hardly even mention him! outrageously overated player!!!!!
Posted 14:58 11th February 2010
Padraig Cradock (Arsenal fan) says...
Hey Martin! I know that Manchester United have the greatest amount of own goals scored for them this season but my mate and I were talking the other day and both reckon they don't concede many penalties either due to referees fearing an attack from Alex Ferguson, so could you please tell me who has conceded the least amount of penalties this season. Cheers!
Posted 11:48 11th February 2010
Remy Kalter (Arsenal fan) says...
CORRECTION: Mark Hughes for M.U., Roberto Di Matteo for Chelsea, Michael Owen for Liverpool, Steven Gerrard for Liverpool, Cristiano Ronaldo for M.U., Didier Drogba for Chelsea, Louis Saha for M.U. and Everton
Posted 11:37 11th February 2010
Remy Kalter (Arsenal fan) says...
Brian McLair for M.U., Mark Hughes for M.U., Roberto Di Matteo for Chelsea, Michael Owen for Liverpool, Steven Gerrard for Liverpool, Didier Drogba for Chelsea, Louis Saha for M.U. and Everton
Posted 11:32 11th February 2010
Salma Aamer (Manchester United fan) says...
Brian mcClair, Mark Hughes, Di matteo, Michael Owen, Christiano Ronaldo, Didier Drogba and Louis Saha are the 7 players to score in league and F.A cup finals since 1992.
Posted 00:05 11th February 2010
John Renyolds (Arsenal fan) says...
Hahaha about the Cech clean sheets question...100 being a record? Reina being up there? - This clearly goes to show that Chelsea fans think the premier league began in 2005! Thanks for making my day son.
Posted 23:26 10th February 2010
Dean Moffatt (Liverpool fan) says...
yes rooney has scored 100 goals in fewer games for united, but i think you need to remember that he is a striker for united and ronaldo was at right midfield most of the time. so for me ronaldo has got to be the better player without a doubt even though i hate the two of them. they play in two different positions so its not an easy comparison to make, but ronaldo scored them goals in a more difficult playing position than rooney.
Posted 23:26 10th February 2010
Conor O'neill (Manchester United fan) says...
Martin is it not unfair to compare Rooney to Ronaldo over their entire careers at united. This is because Ronaldo only came to his most valuable peak in his last two seasons for united, both of which they reached the champion's league final. Therefore, I feel it would be more fair to compare Ronaldo and Rooney's best season or best two seasons for united. Otherwise this is not a fair comparison as the Ronaldo now is a different player to the Ronaldo at the start of his career and therefore much more valuable and better than he was when he was show boating at nineteen for a mediocre Manchester United side.
Posted 16:19 10th February 2010
Ben Flannery (Manchester United fan) says...
Hi Martin, i would be very interested to know the top 20 players Goal ratio's over the premier league seasons, and i would also like to know this on a Global scale aswell. i reckon players like Gabriel Batistuta would be very high on a list such as this, and it would be very interesting to know, cheers!!
Posted 14:12 10th February 2010
Dudu Bosco (Leeds United fan) says...
Surelly Guys no comparissions between the two can be that easy but honestly Rooney to me is more important than the 11 man u players Ronaldo inclusive because his work rate is uniform in all parts of the field unlike Ronaldo who only concentrates on the scoring but poor in defending .So close the chapter 2010/2011 Rooney will rule the world
Posted 13:48 10th February 2010
Andrew Hughes (Manchester United fan) says...
Right Rooney v's Ronaldo - Put it in simple terms they are different in 1 key way Rooney is a centre Forward and Ronaldo an "Attacking Midfielder". Ok i take this argument into context so the goals dont come into it or the assists! Rooney has also played on the wings and in a role behind a central striker so lets compare the stats of ground covered per game, defensive tackles completed passes. Then as we are doing this lets take out set play goals and compare the two of them. I know rooney will still come out on top argument settled
Posted 09:45 10th February 2010
Paul Smith (Manchester United fan) says...
I don't think McClair counts cos his League Cup final goal was before the premier league started. I reckon it was Hughes (94:94); Di Matteo (97:98); Owen (01:03); Gerrard (06:03); Ronaldo (04:06); Drogba (07:08) and Saha (09:06).
Posted 21:20 9th February 2010
Tj ( man utd fan) Baig (Manchester United fan) says...
Both players are good , ronaldo he was brilliant but he was destined for real madrid we made him into one of the best players known to man. Now rooney he just amazing in his own way, but wayne rooney is more special because his abilitys for football are just amazing, he always helps with the defence and casues all parts of problems for teams in there defence and he a goal threat for me I would sa rooney because he on form this year. But for Ronaldo he doing well in spain but not performing well i think england was better for him, Rooney is better.
Posted 19:14 9th February 2010
Mutenhe Chids (Manchester United fan) says...
I am a die hard Man Utd fan but what I can is that Ronaldo is a better attacking player than Rooney. That is the reason why SAF told Rooney to play on the wing and Ronaldo to play on the middle. In terms of defending Rooney is better but when it comes to scoring goals it has to be Ronaldo just look at his Champions league and la liga stats this season considering that he was out for long.
Posted 16:06 9th February 2010
Wesley Goodson (Manchester United fan) says...
Alright lets start off first, this is the first season where Rooney is main man. Ruud Van Nistelroy was main man then Ronaldo took over when he left. Statistically Rooney is proving to be better as a main man, whY? He's scoring more goals than Ronaldo, he's making way more assists, and he makes world class passes and lobs that Ronaldo could never do. Oh and those calling Ronaldo a winger ....please. When he first came here yes..... he was, but in 07/08 to 08/09 the boy was a right or left FORWARD, not a striker, a FORWARD. Sometimes central. So dont start with the "he was a winger" deal. Wingers ...dont cut in. He's a forward guys.
Posted 16:05 9th February 2010
Allistair Francis (Manchester United fan) says...
People who say Ronaldo didn't defend obviously never really watched Man U play, because I've seen him on many occasions winning headers at corners & free kicks against us & racing back to track opposing players. To his credit he tried to defend & is certainly light years ahead of Messi when it comes to defending, if I had a problem with him, it was that he tried to dribble out of defense which caused Utd supporters more than a few anxious moments & lost us a game against Arsenal a few years back. Rooney defending is not that great either, I've seen him making clumsy tackles when he should have just shepherded the player into corner, he tends to dive in too much. For me they are both great players, however I'd have to choose Ronaldo over Rooney because I feel in the last 4 seasons Ronaldo is far more clinical in front of goal than Rooney. Rooney misses too many sitters & his 1st touch is sometimes appalling(Fulham game to mention one). But you have to love him for his fighting spirit & commitment to the team. You have admit Ronaldo did far more defending & tracking back than most other wingers around & that's why Utd were so successful over the past 3 years.
Posted 14:10 9th February 2010







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