Tuesday 19 June 2018 15:05, UK
Should England have been awarded two penalties in their 2-1 win against Tunisia on Monday night? The World Cup Supplement panel discuss.
Gareth Southgate's side kicked off their World Cup campaign with a hard-earned victory in Volgograd Arena, secured thanks to captain Harry Kane's stoppage-time strike.
Despite the last-gasp win, though, England thought they still should have been given two penalties against the North African side, only for Colombian referee Wilmar Roldan and the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) back in Moscow to disagree.
The first incident came minutes after England had been pegged back when Kane appeared to be pulled to the ground by Tunisia's goal scorer Ferjani Sassi, only for the VAR to decide no foul had taken place.
Then in the second half, England's skipper was also hauled to the turf after a rugby-style tackle by Tunisia defender Yassine Meriah, but again the officiating team in the Russian capital deemed it a fair challenge.
However, not even Henry Winter - the chief football writer at The Times - and Andy Dunn - the chief sports writer at the Mirror - were unable to agree on those hotly disputed two calls.
"There were two penalties Kane should have had after being dragged down by Ferjani Sassi," Winter told the World Cup Supplement podcast.
"It is not decision by decision, game by game, those are clear fouls whether you have VAR or not.
"We had this little campaign all over the place from The Football Association, as well as coming from UEFA and FIFA, about grappling three or four years ago. And there was supposed to be a clampdown.
"The Premier League and the Champions League clamped down, but that was pure basketball, NBA, but actually then with a bit of WWE when he was just dragged down to the ground.
"Both clear penalties and again, great credit to Harry Kane that he did manage to evade his marker.
"But the referee and the assistant referee should really be picking up on those things and you can understand Kane's frustration afterwards. If England had not won, then there would have been a lot of headlines about how England had been robbed.
"He clearly crossed the line though. I take your point about people bumping into each other, but this is not commuters getting on the tube at rush hour.
"This was clearly dragging him down to the ground, targeting England's most threatening player, targeting the captain, dragging him away.
"Kane is trying to attack the ball and he is being shifted away from that opportunity."
I take your point about people bumping into each other, but this is not commuters getting on the tube at rush hour
However, Dunn disagreed, arguing: "I am a dissenting voice on the Kane penalties. I am glad they were not given as penalties. I am glad that VAR did not decide and did not intervene and award those penalties.
"Particularly on the first one, you could have shown me a film of that from 10 seconds before the corner, and you could have given infringements against a number of England players - John Stones was pushing a player, Harry Maguire was having a grapple with someone.
"And I know that grappling has been clamped down on, but that was a couple of years ago and I do not want to see VAR getting unnecessarily involved in situations where we really do not know who is pushing who.
"OK, it looks an obvious one with the Tunisia player grappling with Kane, but all around the box there is physical contact.
"So I am actually glad they were not given, I want them to be given for obvious ones and obvious errors, and not just because that was highlighted and looks worse than it is."
"In the first instance, you could have shifted the camera and the VAR bunker could have focussed on four or five incidents in the penalty area.
"For example, let's say John Stones and his marker - OK, the ball is nowhere near them, but who is fouling who there? And that can happen.
"And as if a can of worms has not been opened already with this, if you start doing that and taking every single angle available of the penalty area, say 14 or 16 players in an area that is small, then you are going to come up with an infringement.
"The problem was unusual in that it ended with the grappling. It is a bit like, who is holding who? It is a bit like Sergio Ramos and Mo Salah - who initiated the hold and does he keep hold of him?
"But I do take the point that it looked bad."
