Monday Night Football rewind: Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville rank the greatest English club sides
Back in February, Monday Night Football ranked the greatest English club sides using their own points system. Do you agree with the results? Cast your vote below...
Last Updated: 15/05/20 9:23am
Who is the greatest English club side? It is one of the oldest debates in football but Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher tried to settle it on Monday Night Football with the help of their own points system.
With Martin O'Neill, who was part of the famous Nottingham Forest side that won two European Cups in 1979 and 1980, a guest on Monday's edition of The Football show, we are revisiting this classic MNF debate between Neville and Carragher from February.
The Sky Sports duo used a three-season period for each team and awarded points for the trophies won during that time frame.
Here are the results and, in the words of Neville and Carragher, what made each of these teams great. Reading on skysports.com? Join the debate below..
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12 - Leeds (1968/69 to 1970/71)
- Manager: Don Revie
- Honours: First Division title, FA Cup, Fairs Cup, First Division runner up (2)
- MNF points: 9
Carragher: "That was a great era for Leeds, and they were runners-up in so much. I never saw them play but they were a brilliant team that you heard so much, that Revie team. In some ways, that Leeds team, even though they won league titles, they are probably remembered a lot for losing big games, but they were there or thereabouts throughout the 70s. They were a brilliant team and hopefully we see the club back in the Premier League next season."
10= - Manchester United (1965/66 to 1967/68)
- Manager: Sir Matt Busby
- Honours: European Cup, First Division title, First Division runner up
- MNF points: 10
Neville: "The legacy is huge in terms of the impact, not just of that team of Best, Law and Charlton, that defined an era in Manchester, but also the recovery from the tragedy of the Munich air crash.
"There were a lot of what would be the values of Manchester United today that are attributed to that 10-year period from 1958 to 1968. In fact, when I say a lot of the attributes, I mean all of the attributes of the club today. Playing with academy players, playing with excitement and flair and ultimately playing to win all the time.
"All you attribute with Manchester United today come from that period and it's a special period. It was an era for United where Sir Matt Busby was at the heart of it. It was pioneering and it started what the journey of the modern Manchester United is.
"When Sir Alex Ferguson took over at United he wanted to repeat a lot of the values and principles that had been achieved by the club. He respected the history of the club."
10= - Aston Villa (1980/81 to 1982/83)
- Managers: Ron Saunders/Tony Barton
- Honours: European Cup, First Division title, European Super Cup
- MNF points: 10
Carragher: "Ron Saunders, who passed away just a few months ago, was a bit of a legend in the Midlands. He managed lots of different clubs there, but it was actually his role at Aston Villa that he's remembered for. The strange thing was he actually moved on before they got their hands on the famous trophy. It was Tony Barton who came in, but he produced that team. It was Dennis Mortimer that lifted the trophy and Peter Withe getting the famous goal."
8= - Tottenham (1960/61 to 1962/63)
- Manager: Bill Nicholson
- Honours: First Division title, FA Cup (2), European Cup Winners' Cup
- MNF points: 12
Carragher: "It wasn't just the achievement of trophies with this team, it was the actual way they played football. And probably, that legacy went on for years where you sometimes looked at a player and said: 'He's a Tottenham player.'
"Maybe that comes from the way this team played and they had some greats."
8= - Everton (1984/85 to 1986/87)
- Manager: Howard Kendall
- Honours: First Division title (2), European Cup Winners' Cup, First Division runner up
- MNF points: 12
Carragher: "The first game I can ever remember watching was that 2-0 win against Watford in the FA Cup final. The best way to describe how good it was is it was my first ever season watching football, so I think that's the norm. That Everton team got to three cup finals on the bounce. I used to think going to Wembley was like going to Alton Towers. It was a day out you did at the end of every season. They were so close to winning the double in '86 and that would've shot them right up this list. The biggest compliment I can pay that team is that if I see some of those players at functions, they are still your heroes. You still look up to them now, no matter how old you are and it will always be the same."
6= - Arsenal (2001/02 to 2003/04)
- Manager: Arsene Wenger
- Honours: Premier League title (2), FA Cup (2), Premier League runner up
- MNF points: 13
Jamie Carragher: "When I came up against that Arsenal team, sometimes I would be going into the game and my confidence wouldn't be there because you didn't feel like you could compete with them physically either.
"You knew they were better players than you but they were quicker and more powerful too. For a two or three year period, that was the best team I played against in the Premier League."
6= - Chelsea (2004/05 to 2006/07)
- Manager: Jose Mourinho
- Honours: Premier League title (2), FA Cup, League Cup (2), Premier League runner up
- MNF points: 13
Gary Neville: "Sir Alex Ferguson knew that he was up against a special manager who was on a roll with a fantastic team. We just couldn't compete with them at that time. Jose's one regret of that period is that he didn't win the Champions League with that team."
5 - Nottingham Forest (1977/78 to 1979/80)
- Manager: Brian Clough
- Honours: European Cup (2), First Division title, League Cup (2), European Super Cup, First Division runner up
- MNF points: 18
Neville: "We did say that would have to be some context applied to these points and this is the team that makes me feel most uncomfortable seeing them in fifth place because of the scale of the achievement.
"But would they be better than the greatest Liverpool sides of that era? Probably not but the scale of the achievement just needs some special mention.
"To do what Clough did there at Nottingham Forest, his managerial achievements are right up there with anything you could ever wish for."
3= - Manchester United (1998/99 to 2000/01)
- Manager: Sir Alex Ferguson
- Honours: Champions League, Premier League title (3), FA Cup, Intercontinental Cup
- MNF points: 20
Neville: "In a single season, to win the treble, it's the greatest achievement of Manchester United's history. However, that team then disappointed for two years after that in Europe. We won three leagues on the bounce but then we didn't go back-to-back in Europe, and that is the disappointment of that team. We didn't go on and do it again and again. The greatest teams, you go and win it again and again."
3= - Liverpool (1981/82 to 1983/84)
- Managers: Bob Paisley/Joe Fagan
- Honours: European Cup, First Division title (3), League Cup (3)
- MNF points: 20
Carragher: "If you ask Liverpool fans for their greatest team, I think a lot of them would go for this one because of the names. Kenny Dalglish was certainly the best striker, Graeme Souness was one of the best central midfielders and Alan Hansen would go straight into the team as one of the best centre-backs. So, there were those huge figures.
"This team had some of the greatest players in Liverpool's history and some of the biggest characters also. This team was almost like a machine and to do what they did with three leagues in a row, it's not easy. In most Liverpool circles they'd say this team was the greatest, but they haven't come out on top."
2 - Manchester United - (2006/07 to 2008/09)
- Manager: Sir Alex Ferguson
- Honours: Champions League, Premier League title (3), League Cup, Club World Cup, Champions League runner up
- MNF points: 21
Gary Neville: "I don't think Manchester United have ever had a team that had so many world-class players. They had eight or nine who were almost the best in their position. It was an unbelievable team. I think it was the greatest Manchester United team of all time."
1 - Liverpool (1975/76 to 1977/78)
- Manager: Bob Paisley
- Honours: European Cup (2), First Division title (2), UEFA Cup, European Super Cup, First Division runner up
- MNF points: 23
Jamie Carragher: "I have always felt that this era was a little bit underappreciated by Liverpool because a lot of them go back to the early '80s. Maybe that team would have beaten this team but to win a European Cup back-to-back elevates you massively. This team won a UEFA Cup too - three European trophies in three seasons. That is unbelievably special."
Where would the current Liverpool and Manchester City teams rank?
Speaking before the season was paused due the coronavirous pandemic, Carragher said: "Right now, they are both on the cusp of joining the greats and being right at the top.
"If Liverpool could get to three Champions League finals in a row that would be unbelievable - they could even go on and do the treble. That would surpass the Manchester United 1999 team as you could include the Champions League Liverpool won last year.
"Manchester City have had criticism this season for being so far behind Liverpool but they can still trump Liverpool by winning the European Cup as they've already won the league twice. Just look at what City have done under Guardiola - it's frightening. They are the only team to win the domestic treble. If they could add the Champions League that would define this era of Manchester City."
Neville said: "I think for Liverpool to get to two Champions League finals and then win a Premier League title and for Pep Guardiola to win back-to-back Premier League titles and then potentially win a Champions League, you are then putting them up there with the best teams of all time.
"You have to analyse it over a three-year period though. What Manchester City are achieving under Guardiola is spectacular but he'll know more than anybody that he needs a Champions League win to cement that legacy. No-one doubts Guardiola's Barcelona team being one the greatest of all time, winning three titles on the bounce and two Champions League - it was the greatest spectacle watching that team. There will always be doubts when you don't win the titles your football deserves. You have to win that title to convert people's minds. What these two teams are doing is really special."
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